gyno question

[qscgugcsq]

Ive been getting BW every 2 months for the past years and ive never had any issue with my E2
Even when i was playing with my dose and compound.

Lately I did 100mg weekly of propionate for 4 weeks.
And I used arimidex while.on it at about .5mg E2D(skipped it once in a while).
Strangely, Gyno started....

I was only taking arimidex and propionate at that time And I didnt touch tren nor nandrolone for over 6 months. And I started taking pramipexol when I noticed.

I got BW 4 weeks in and My E2 was at 20 on a range of 28-1** something.
So I was on the low.side(which isnt surprising.considering low dose test and arimidex...

Strangely I upped my testostwrone dose.to 700+/week(mix of prop and Enanthate) with arimidex .5mg EOD and it stopped growing but nipples were still sensitive to the touch.

Right now Im back to.my.cruising dose(250mg enanthate E4D)
With 350mg tren-a per week.
Im taking 1.25mg.letrozole ED + .5mg arimidex E3D, .2mg prami Every night.
(With that much AI my libido is low but not crashed)

And my.gyno is still there and my gland are still sensitive to the touch... but my gyno.stopped growing...

Im.gonna try raloxifen when Ill have more money at my disposale but I find it extremely odd cause my BW has all been great and still.develop some.gyno...
if ralox dont work surgery will quickly follow...

BTW, its not paranoia, its clearly gyno, i has a lump.about 1cm3.

What could have caused this???

Thanks

[clarky.]

Drop the letro use adex .25ed and start nolva 40mg day for one wk then 20mg day till gone.

[qscgugcsq]

Ill drop my.letro when i wont have it anymore (another 20 days) give or take few days...

Im not crashed and I rather have my E2 a bit too low than a bit too high.

And as I said Ill try raloxifen(even if in the past and it hasnt done anything)

Im.more interested in knowing what could have been the cause of that gyno??
someone has an idea?

[Juced_porkchop]

if you are going to use Letro as AI drop it to 0.25-0.6mg eod-e3d or your asking for issues.... I know i use it as my main AI... and know you need to give letro few weeks so dont just keep upping the dose like many do, and thats when you see complaints on letro...

[Juced_porkchop]

Ill drop my.letro when i wont have it anymore (another 20 days) give or take few days...

Im not crashed and I rather have my E2 a bit too low than a bit too high.

And as I said Ill try raloxifen(even if in the past and it hasnt done anything)

Im.more interested in knowing what could have been the cause of that gyno??
someone has an idea?

if you had/have full blown gyno in most cases only way to rid it is to get it cut out.. I would hop off any aas and hop on ralox for a few months to try shrink it and go from there IMO

[numbere]

The following is a quote from Nandi. I'd be doing a disservice to paraphrase.

Before delving into this subject, I’d like to say first and foremost, that in users of anabolic /androgenic steroids (AAS) the first step in combating the development of gynecomastia, or male breast enlargement, is to eliminate the causative agent: the anabolic steroid. Drug-induced gynecomastia almost invariably resolves on its own when a person quits taking the drugs responsible for it, if caught before permanent fibrosis develops.
...

In truth, the etiology of gynecomastia is unknown and a number of agents including estrogens, progestins, GH, IGF-1, and prolactin may be involved. However, most authorities believe that a decreased (T+DHT)/E ratio is central to the development of gyno, and that blocking the effects of estrogen, or increasing T + DHT levels, is central to ameliorating the problem.

Progesterone and prolactin induced gynecomastia

[qscgugcsq]

^^^ thanks alot... thats what I thought...

when I ran test NPP my nipple started to get sensitive within 3 days...

On tren I never had any issue...
(Nandrolone isnt androgenic much ...)

I guess im sensitive to low DHT... I guess masteron could be very helpfull...

Also dropping everything isnt an option ive been crusing for over 2 years and I dont plan to stop, Id rather have the gyno removed(which im likely to do unfortunatly...).

will try ralox and see from there...

I just find it odd that Ive developped gyno when my test was so low...

[numbere]

I just find it odd that Ive developped gyno when my test was so low...

What made me think of that post was when you wrote "...I did 100mg weekly of propionate for 4 weeks....Strangely, Gyno started...."

...most authorities believe that a decreased (T+DHT)/E ratio is central to the development of gyno, and that blocking the effects of estrogen, or increasing T + DHT levels, is central to ameliorating the problem.

*1000

[qscgugcsq]

Agreed but my total was in the mid range(19.8 range 10-30)
While my E2 was at 20 on a range of 28-130

The major factor IMO is the low DHT I naturally produce...
Cause my T/E is not that bad. Even if it decrease compared to when I were over 50 and my E2 was 36... but still.

Moral of the story never lower your doses just keep increasing XD