Updated steroid cycle plans

[Stephen051]

Drafting a good revised plan for back to back cycles looking for comments plan on stacking testosterone + winstrol + tren . I have 3 weeks break between each cycle with no steroids following 3 weeks test PCT.


Steroid Growth and Liver Recovery Program

Cycle 1-(12 weeks) 6 weeks- 500mg Testosterone alone weight and track training 3 weeks test pct
3 week break with week one water fasting.
Cycle 2- (14 weeks) 6 weeks daily Winstrol caps + 500mg weekly testosterone base weight and track training 3 weeks test pct
3 week break with week one water fasting.
Cycle 3- 2 weeks water fasting while loading 20g Creatine/day no training
milk thistle caps taken daily
Cycle 4- (12 weeks) 6 weeks- Trenbolone + testosterone base weight and track training 3 weeks test pct
3 week break with week one water fasting.
Cycle 5- (12 weeks) 6 weeks- Win + Tren + testosterone base weight and track training 3 weeks test pct
3 week break with week one water fasting.
Cycle 6- (11 weeks) 8 weeks- Win + Tren + Testosterone weight and track training 3 weeks test pct



Note -
Tren acetate pills daily -25mg
Winstrol Pills daily -10mg
Milk thistle caps daily -500mg
Testosterone weekly Injections of 500mg and pct is always 3 weeks at -350/200/100mg.
Fasting on water, Creatine monohydrate and milk thistle caps alone. No food during fasting times. Eating well the rest of time lots of protein mainly eggs and tuna as well as fruit and vegetables, bread and rice.

NOTE- CYCLES ARE STILL OPEN TO MODIFICATION. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND RUDE COMMENTS
WITH GOOD INTENTION ALIKE ARE WELCOME. HAVEN'T WORKED OUT WHERE OR HOW IM GETTING THE PRODUCTS YET JUST WANT TO GET THE PLANNER CORRECT FIRST. THANK-YOU.

[Back In Black]

It's a disaster. Test isn't PCT. You have no understanding if this at all I'm afraid.

Did you read any of the stickies?

Read this, it's all that you should consider right now

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[Stephen051]

Hi Back in Black,

I will read through your link and revert. I just wanted to check you can understand cycle one (9 weeks) it says I am taking 500mg weekly test for 6 weeks followed by 3 weeks PCT at 350/200/100mg each week respectively followed by a break of 3 weeks of no synthetic test at all before starting the next cycle.

Also it only plans to do PCT for testosterone as no PCT is applied for winstrol or tren as synthetic test is always used as a base hormone in every cycle.

Do you understand the terminology now? Is it still horrible?

[redz]

There seems to be some confusion here pct is never run when you continue running synthetic test.

[Mr.BB]

Tren acetate pills??

Seems you are a bit confused.

BTW PCT means post cycle therapy

[Stephen051]

I know what PCT is guys, as I explained the first 9 week cycle involves 6 weeks of synthetic 500mg test which is followed by 3 weeks of PCT at 350mg for week 7, 200mg for week 8 and 100mg for week 9 followed by 3 weeks of no sythetic test at all before starting the next cycle.

Every cycle includes this format for testosterone as it is used in every cycle.

[Stephen051]

Mr BB yes you can get Tren acetate pills in the 25mg as described.....

[Stephen051]

Any chance someone could post their cycle and PCT details for me to read through. So im getting the idea you dont just gradually reduce testosterone injections but rather when finished and ready for PCT use other compounds like HCG ?

[NACH3]

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I know what PCT is guys, as I explained the first 9 week cycle involves 6 weeks of synthetic 500mg test which is followed by 3 weeks of PCT at 350mg for week 7, 200mg for week 8 and 100mg for week 9 followed by 3 weeks of no sythetic test at all before starting the next cycle.

Every cycle includes this format for testosterone as it is used in every cycle.

In bold is where your losing everyone - are you tapering down off of the test?? If so not needed - just drop then pct = clomid and nolvadex -SERMs only!!! And definitely no test!!!

Secondly winny will wreck havoc on your precious joints for running - you'll feel like 60 yr old man lol - why only 6wks(of supposed test)?? That's hlf a cycle??

HCG is ran on cycle to keep your testes functional and mimicks LH Production - nod helps w/a smoother pct!

Can you read that link again please and then try to answer our questions?

[Stephen051]

NACH3 Thankyou. Im starting to get a bit more of an idea of whats going on. I will re-post after ive had a good chance to read through the post back in black has advised me to read and I will probably ask a few more questions before re-posting my proposed cycles with PCTs using clomid and novalex.

Ben Johnson used winstrol for 100m training but apparently only 2.5mg a day. Not sure if the "havic" on the joints would be sufficient to cause issues with movement on the joints like knees and/or elbows ect.

I want AS with minimal water retention both offered by winstrol and tren which enable me to build both speed and power over time and I do want to stack these together after trying them each one at a time.

Cardiovascular endurance is not of interest to me I only compete in 100m and long jump.

Not sure what the official definition is for the length of a cycle but Rich Piano says on youtube that most steroid users only experience benefits for the first 6 weeks of every cycle as after this window the receptors have already become adapted to the compound. So basically most people who cycle for 3 months at a time are wasting their money for the last few weeks of each cycle.

[bigdil511]

What kind of test are you using? If it's enanthate or cyp you won't really feel the full effects until weeks 4-6. So stopping there makes no sense. A typical test only cycle would be 12 weeks with hcg and an ai. Followed by pct with nolva and clomid which are both serms. Read austinites executing first cycle sticky. Nothing you're doing makes any sense so I think you should hold off and learn first.

[Mr.BB]

Mr BB yes you can get Tren acetate pills in the 25mg as described.....

Thats considered a prohormone.

Its very toxic, hope you cope well with jaundice...

PCT is post cycle therapy , which reason to exist is restart the HPTA so endogenous testosterone production can resume. PCT with testosterone is a nonsense!!

[ab037]

Typically pct will start 2 weeks after last inj ( depending on ester). Pct is clomid and nolvadex Not more test. Pct runs for 4-6 weeks depending on compounds taken on cycle.
So in your case 12 week cycle + 2 weeks waiting for pct + 4-6 week pct = 18-20 weeks to complete first cycle and pct.
THEN you need to wait 20 weeks before beginning another cycle
What you are proposing is wrong in so many ways.
Scrap that and start over

[redz]

No way in hell Ben Johnson only used 2.5mg of winstrol daily.

[Stephen051]

What kind of test are you using? If it's enanthate or cyp you won't really feel the full effects until weeks 4-6. So stopping there makes no sense. A typical test only cycle would be 12 weeks with hcg and an ai. Followed by pct with nolva and clomid which are both serms. Read austinites executing first cycle sticky. Nothing you're doing makes any sense so I think you should hold off and learn first.

Okay, Im holding off as I said before im looking to get the perfect set of cycles sorted before attempting
any of the steroids .

I will get this set of cycles perfectly executed as well as the best possible advise on the compounds

[Stephen051]

Mr BB,

I have been prone over the years to getting serious acne usually on the back.

What would you recommend instead of 25mg tren acetate? For the winstrol and tren I have been steering away from the idea of injections but rather aiming to use pills with a relatively short cycle and decent recovery period after every cycle which for my planner will include water/juice only fasting after PCT is over.

Winstrol and tren serum have such a short halflife for injections it would literally be a pain in the ass every 24-48h once the shoulder gets old I think the whole program would be a serious pain very quickly.

[Stephen051]

Hey guys I found a supplier who is local to me maybe you could check over their site and the products they said by email they can supply

Winstrol - Injectable
Tren acetate- Injectable
Test- Injectable

Clomid and Nolva - Oral

Ive been reading about all the nasty effects oral steroids can do to the liver and so im considering manning up and going
all injectable.

Here- The site is called Australiansteroids.com to maybe you guys could check out the brands and let me know
if they are any good?

Still need to figure out what ester of testosterone would be best.

[Mr.BB]

Mr BB,

I have been prone over the years to getting serious acne usually on the back.

What would you recommend instead of 25mg tren acetate? For the winstrol and tren I have been steering away from the idea of injections but rather aiming to use pills with a relatively short cycle and decent recovery period after every cycle which for my planner will include water/juice only fasting after PCT is over.

Winstrol and tren serum have such a short halflife for injections it would literally be a pain in the ass every 24-48h once the shoulder gets old I think the whole program would be a serious pain very quickly.

Have you read the link Back in Black posted??

[Stephen051]

Have you read the link Back in Black posted??

I have browsed through it and not read in detail. Give me 24 hours or so I will tell you once I have.

[kapper]

Hey guys I found a supplier who is local to me maybe you could check over their site and the products they said by email they can supply Winstrol- Injectable Tren acetate- Injectable Test- Injectable Clomid and Nolva - Oral Ive been reading about all the nasty effects oral steroids can do to the liver and so im considering manning up and going all injectable. Here- The site is called Australiansteroids.com to maybe you guys could check out the brands and let me know if they are any good? Still need to figure out what ester of testosterone would be best.

U shouldnt post links its against site rules and the site u suggested is a fake. You will recieve NOTHING.. Also your jumping the gun with allthese plans

Be patient mate, read read read and then post what uve learnt

[Stephen051]

Typically pct will start 2 weeks after last inj ( depending on ester). Pct is clomid and nolvadex Not more test. Pct runs for 4-6 weeks depending on compounds taken on cycle.
So in your case 12 week cycle + 2 weeks waiting for pct + 4-6 week pct = 18-20 weeks to complete first cycle and pct.
THEN you need to wait 20 weeks before beginning another cycle
What you are proposing is wrong in so many ways.
Scrap that and start over

I see, I will write an updated planner using your ideas and see what the others have to say.

[Stephen051]

U shouldnt post links its against site rules and the site u suggested is a fake. You will recieve NOTHING.. Also your jumping the gun with allthese plans

Be patient mate, read read read and then post what uve learnt

How do you know its a fake? Im not getting anything at this point just wanted to find real suppliers and get them checked.

Alright Im not posting links then but it was out of genuine concern and if it is indeed not a good site how am I supposed
to get advise on it if im not allowed to post its link?>

[kapper]

I just know its fake mate, i suggest you research the compounds and serms/AI's for a good 6 months, find out why u need to take each one and what counter acts what. get ypur training dialled in then worry about where you can obtain your supplies.

That site is 100% fake and your goin to lose money and lots of it if you pull the trigger on sites like that.goodluck

[AR's King Silabolin]

Most important is BW. They should decide when Your NeXT cycle begins. Lots of info in the stickies, but this one i feel is the most valuable. BW before, during and some weeks after pct. If values are ok then you`re good to go. Its a serious mistake to begin a New cycle when hormones, enzyms and lipids are not within Your agerange.
And i guess the roids will not work very well if youre not paying attention to this.

pct The famous PoWeR PCT Program by Dr. Michael Scally - Steroid and Testosterone information - UK Muscle Bodybuilding Forum

all you need to now. And it differs quit a bit from what most experts pray in here.

[kapper]

Alright Im not posting links then but it was out of genuine concern and if it is indeed not a good site how am I supposed to get advise on it if im not allowed to post its link?>

Its ok u didnt know rhe rules but yeh this site is a none source site. Its an educational site for safe practises in steroid use

You need to surf the net mate and sift out the sh*t , find reviews and then make a calculated decision. Becareful as there are alot of ppl who pray on the uneducated.

[ghettoboyd]

you need to spend less time looking for a source and spend just a few minutes on the planning my first cycle link that was provided for you...you are so far off from being ready to use aas when you don't even understand the very basics of a first cycle which is sooo simple man...do yourself a favor and do more research and get a good understanding of it before you start throwing away money to the first site you find on the net...scammers will be more than happy to take your $$$ so be careful...

[numbere]

pct The famous PoWeR PCT Program by Dr. Michael Scally - Steroid and Testosterone information - UK Muscle Bodybuilding Forum

all you need to now. And it differs quit a bit from what most experts pray in here.

The Power PCT Program is excessive for a normal cycle. Like everything in life there is a correct time and place for that type of PCT.

The Power PCT Program should only be considered if one has been on a very long cycle,.

[Stephen051]

Hey guys I read the entire article today. I will post my new steroid cycle plans in the next few days. Will have two months between cycles as I think ab037s suggestion of 20weeks between cycles is a bit of an overkill. Don't you?

However PCT (oral novalex and clomid) for 4 weeks with it starting 3 days after last injection of testosterone propionate followed by 2 months break before starting the next cycle is what im working from now. Someone let me know if its still wrong.

[numbere]

Hey guys I read the entire article today. I will post my new steroid cycle plans in the next few days. Will have two months between cycles as I think ab037s suggestion of 20weeks between cycles is a bit of an overkill. Don't you?

However PCT (oral novalex and clomid) for 4 weeks with it starting 3 days after last injection of testosterone propionate followed by 2 months break before starting the next cycle is what im working from now. Someone let me know if its still wrong.

I think ab037's advise is spot on. You planning a second cycle 2 months after the first is overkill.

The general rule of thumb is time on plus length of PCT is equal to the least amount of time between cycles.

Regardless, you are jumping the gun to even be considering a second cycle at this point. Work on successfully completing the first cycle.

Test p is not the best compound to use for a first cycle. It would be in your best interest to use either test e or c. Read the thread attached in post #2 about a dozen more times.

[ab037]

Hes been given links and all the advice anyone could ask for but still not satisfied with the answers.
Best of luck

[Stephen051]

I think ab037's advise is spot on. You planning a second cycle 2 months after the first is overkill.

The general rule of thumb is time on plus length of PCT is equal to the least amount of time between cycles.

Regardless, you are jumping the gun to even be considering a second cycle at this point. Work on successfully completing the first cycle.

Test p is not the best compound to use for a first cycle. It would be in your best interest to use either test e or c. Read the thread attached in post #2 about a dozen more times.

Ok, I am on it.

[Mr.BB]

Hes been given links and all the advice anyone could ask for but still not satisfied with the answers.
Best of luck

Seems to be a trend nowadays

[Stephen051]

Could I get a third opinion on time between cycles? The net is full of conflicting advise on the matter.

[Stephen051]

As per advise I found elsewhere on the site after each cycle I will make an appointment with my GP to check the following-

*Quote Hartman 1/10/2013)

Some things to check that have recovered/returned to baseline before blasting again:

Liver values
Kidney values
Lipid profile
Hematocrit and RBC
Blood pressure

Anything else to check? Also after reading I am now planning to do injectables rather than orals I am now thinking to start at just weekly 100mg of tren , 50mg of winstrol and 500mg test all injectables. Tren and test with short halflife should be every 48hrs so basically each 3 injections per week at 33mg tren and 16.5mg winstrol plus a weekly shot of test 500mg.

For the time being I will work with being off for time on cycle plus pct for the time between cycles. But would still prefer to have a bit of extra opinion and also relating to the best type of test for first cycle.

[Back In Black]

Until you actually read and take notice of the links you have been given I doubt anybody will respond in a nice way to you.

You can ignore all the advice given and run and design your own crazy cycles if you wish but you'll be in for a lifetime of pain.

Here are my top tips

TEST ONLY FIRST CYCLE

TIME ON + PCT = TIME OFF

BLOOD WORK PRE CYCLE AND 6 WEEKS POST PCT (and you will need way more than what you have listed)

[Stephen051]

You guys are crazy if you think I am seriously going ahead with this anytime soon. Once I actually find these substances I will need to get a sample and find somewhere where they can actually test the substance to make sure its what it says it is before even considering pumping it into my body.

Bloodworks-

1. Testosterone , Total
2. Testosterone, Free
3. Sensitive E2 Assay (Not basic estradiol, that's for women)
4. CBC (Compete blood count)
5. CMP (Comprehensive metabolic panel)
6. Lipid Profile (post cycle is fine)
7. LH and FSH (pre-cycle and post PCT)
9. Liver values
10. Kidney values
11. Lipid profile
12. Hematocrit and RBC
13. Blood pressure

I am just imagining the look on my GPs face as I start to request these tests be done.

[Stephen051]

Seems to be a trend nowadays

Most people prefer to discuss things rather than sit down and read a text-book. Me I seek bits and pieces of information and know I learn best when people abuse me for stupid remarks. Its just the way I learn.

[Stephen051]

Until you actually read and take notice of the links you have been given I doubt anybody will respond in a nice way to you.

You can ignore all the advice given and run and design your own crazy cycles if you wish but you'll be in for a lifetime of pain.

Here are my top tips

TEST ONLY FIRST CYCLE

TIME ON + PCT = TIME OFF

BLOOD WORK PRE CYCLE AND 6 WEEKS POST PCT (and you will need way more than what you have listed)

How about the second list of blood-works is it sufficient now?

[Stephen051]

Okay, lets do a quick summary for cycle 1 testosterone E only. 500mg/w for 12 weeks at 2 X 250mg injections per week every 3 days

BW done 2 weeks pre cycle.

Cycle starts----

8 weeks in BW done again

12 weeks passes and cycle finish.

PCT Clomid and Novalex 14 days after last injection for 6 weeks-

Clomid @ 75/50/50/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20/20/20

6 weeks post cycle during last fortnight of PCT BW done again.

Bloodwork consists off-

1. Testosterone , Total
2. Testosterone, Free
3. Sensitive E2 Assay (Not basic estradiol, that's for women)
4. CBC (Compete blood count)
5. CMP (Comprehensive metabolic panel)
6. Lipid Profile (post cycle is fine)
7. LH and FSH (pre-cycle and post PCT)
9. Liver values
10. Kidney values
11. Lipid profile
12. Hematocrit and RBC
13. Blood pressure

Am I still nuts or could I start to think about writing a more conclusive planner now? Should PCT be 4 weeks or should be 6? OKAY to do bloodwork during last fortnight of PCT or not?

[redz]

Thats an excessive duration for clomid.