leg injection

**jolter604** · 07-27-2015, 09:53 PM

This was my second leg injection I go around a hand length down from hip outside. I use a 1 1/2 inch 23 gauge it for in like butter no pain. I am pinning test e 250 . 75cc And npp150 1cc. And 250 iu hcg . The first time I hit legs rite after And I had a knot for two days and it was achy. No redness. Today I hit left leg rubbed the injection spot pretty good. Now at the end of the night I have another knot and feel the sore coming back. Is this normal? I have always pinned gluts but I'm going to run tren ace coming up And I'm going eod so I was trying to find somewhere to rotate injection. Hopefully I will get use to it or find another spot. I never get knots or sore in glut site.

**jolter604** · 07-27-2015, 10:34 PM

I am pinning test at. 75 cc because I'm pinning it m, w, f with npp

**Mr.BB** · 07-28-2015, 04:28 AM

Yeah, it takes a few shots for the quads to get used to pins.

I used to get crazy pip with ugl test E on quads, then it eventually got a lot better. Prop still damages it pretty good, pharma test no pip just a very light pressure. Yesterday pinned my right quad, 2ml UGL and I feel something there but no pain.
Go for the top part, 1 inch after the outer head, if you flex the quad you will see what I mean. I use 25g 1'' for quads.

**numbere** · 07-28-2015, 08:33 AM

Quads have always been one of my rotation sites and have to admit they are a tricky place to pin. I need to hit a correct site and angle for zero PIP. I believe Mr.BB and a I are talking about the same location. That is the upper portion of the vastus lateralis. The angle I prefer for this location is about 5-10° with the surface of the skin.

**Juced_porkchop** · 07-28-2015, 08:45 AM

Dont rub the site, never rub the site. its just irritating it more so and your not going to puck the oil in. go inject 1-2ml of oil into center of a steak and then press on it and rub it, all you will find is more muscle damage to the area due to the pressure you are forcing. your not going to "rub the oil in" like some may think. just leave it alone or put hot water bottle in the area to up the blood flow at most.
now if you have crystalizing gear in the area of a musle then massage might help, but that would not happen just after the shot, would be later on down the road, and i would rec alternating more if having that issue as it is.

good luck

quads can be tricky, if be unable to walk right for days, from a few shots over the years

**jolter604** · 07-28-2015, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

Quads have always been one of my rotation sites and have to admit they are a tricky place to pin. I need to hit a correct site and angle for zero PIP. I believe Mr.BB and a I are talking about the same location. That is the upper portion of the vastus lateralis. The angle I prefer for this location is about 5-10° with the surface of the skin.

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Yeah I'm close to the top pick but more by where my arm would naturally hand to and I went str8 in. I will come more over to the front and at angle.

**Mr.BB** · 07-28-2015, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by jolter604

Yeah I'm close to the top pick but more by where my arm would naturally hand to and I went str8 in. I will come more over to the front and at angle.

Upper than where my hand sits is much better IMO

**numbere** · 07-28-2015, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by jolter604

Yeah I'm close to the top pick but more by where my arm would naturally hand to and I went str8 in. I will come more over to the front and at angle.

So if you're facing the 12 o'clock position you're pinning around 3? I prefer to pin at about 1-1:30, but I understand everyone's muscle is in a slightly different location.

**jolter604** · 07-28-2015, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

So if you're facing the 12 o'clock position you're pinning around 3? I prefer to pin at about 1-1:30, but I understand everyone's muscle is in a slightly different location.

I will try that it Just seems close to the tendon or hip.

**jolter604** · 07-28-2015, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Upper than where my hand sits is much better IMO

Yeah I was pretty much rite where my hand ends up on the outer side of my leg when it hangs. I will go a little higher and towards the front. And I noticed it said at a angle

**jolter604** · 07-28-2015, 05:49 PM

A friend of mine just told me he got closer to the knee sounds more tender.

**Far from massive** · 07-28-2015, 05:54 PM

Did you pin NPP before or just Test E? As a general rule the shorter esters are more painful than the long ones, so this may be part of it.

One thing I have found very helpful is to always warm the gear to say 120°f before drawing it up, not only does this make filling the syringe easier but it lessens pain for many due to muscle not having to warm the gear to get the initial absorption. The idea is to have the AAS slightly warmer than body temp when you inject it, say 105°. So by heating to 120° or so by the time you get around to pinning it will be just above body temp. Also naturally take LOTS of time slooowly pushing the plunger home, I like to spend at least 30 sec per ml.

Now as far as your Tren cycle, be very careful shooting Tren in the quads as in my experience you are about 10 times as likely to have some absorption into the bloodstream and the resultant Tren cough (NO FUN) with quads than glutes or shoulders. Not saying don't do it just be super careful and take lots of time advancing the plunger and whatever you do DO NOT rub the site as this is a great way to force gear from the depo into nicked veins and capillaries. See normally blood pressure prevents gear from entering a nicked vein (unless you inject into the vein or capillary) however if you inject fast or rub the site you cause pressure at the depot.

Good luck,

FFM

**jolter604** · 07-28-2015, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

Did you pin NPP before or just Test E? As a general rule the shorter esters are more painful than the long ones, so this may be part of it.

One thing I have found very helpful is to always warm the gear to say 120°f before drawing it up, not only does this make filling the syringe easier but it lessens pain for many due to muscle not having to warm the gear to get the initial absorption. The idea is to have the AAS slightly warmer than body temp when you inject it, say 105°. So by heating to 120° or so by the time you get around to pinning it will be just above body temp. Also naturally take LOTS of time slooowly pushing the plunger home, I like to spend at least 30 sec per ml.

Now as far as your Tren cycle, be very careful shooting Tren in the quads as in my experience you are about 10 times as likely to have some absorption into the bloodstream and the resultant Tren cough (NO FUN) with quads than glutes or shoulders. Not saying don't do it just be super careful and take lots of time advancing the plunger and whatever you do DO NOT rub the site as this is a great way to force gear from the depo into nicked veins and capillaries. See normally blood pressure prevents gear from entering a nicked vein (unless you inject into the vein or capillary) however if you inject fast or rub the site you cause pressure at the depot.

Good luck,

FFM

Yes it was test e 250 And npp 150 .

**jolter604** · 07-29-2015, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

Did you pin NPP before or just Test E? As a general rule the shorter esters are more painful than the long ones, so this may be part of it.

One thing I have found very helpful is to always warm the gear to say 120°f before drawing it up, not only does this make filling the syringe easier but it lessens pain for many due to muscle not having to warm the gear to get the initial absorption. The idea is to have the AAS slightly warmer than body temp when you inject it, say 105°. So by heating to 120° or so by the time you get around to pinning it will be just above body temp. Also naturally take LOTS of time slooowly pushing the plunger home, I like to spend at least 30 sec per ml.

Now as far as your Tren cycle, be very careful shooting Tren in the quads as in my experience you are about 10 times as likely to have some absorption into the bloodstream and the resultant Tren cough (NO FUN) with quads than glutes or shoulders. Not saying don't do it just be super careful and take lots of time advancing the plunger and whatever you do DO NOT rub the site as this is a great way to force gear from the depo into nicked veins and capillaries. See normally blood pressure prevents gear from entering a nicked vein (unless you inject into the vein or capillary) however if you inject fast or rub the site you cause pressure at the depot.

Good luck,

FFM

I was going to be injecting 2.25 cc eod can I plung that much into my shoulder?

**ryobi1** · 07-29-2015, 09:34 PM

have you tried warming your leg with some heat, the ice cold packs that are dual work good, or a water bottle
as suggested , as well as the gear....after injection, keep warming the leg....you want to inject in the peak of
the quad, if you elevate your leg this will flex the muscle and you can pretty well see the largest point of the quad,
then do your hand measurement to be sure you are in the range, i do 1 hand from groin down, and 1 hand up from
top of knee cap....i used to get what felt like a charlie horse for about 3 days, but by doing this i havent had pip
for a long time, as well i pin about 1 -1 30....and straight in....just a sugestion...make gains..live long

**jolter604** · 07-29-2015, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ryobi1

have you tried warming your leg with some heat, the ice cold packs that are dual work good, or a water bottle
as suggested , as well as the gear....after injection, keep warming the leg....you want to inject in the peak of
the quad, if you elevate your leg this will flex the muscle and you can pretty well see the largest point of the quad,
then do your hand measurement to be sure you are in the range, i do 1 hand from groin down, and 1 hand up from
top of knee cap....i used to get what felt like a charlie horse for about 3 days, but by doing this i havent had pip
for a long time, as well i pin about 1 -1 30....and straight in....just a sugestion...make gains..live long

Yeah I will try it on Friday so I don't have to watch my boss watch me limp and say Who was in that ass, lol. I hit the outside I will try front. If anything I will just hit legs on Friday's or Saturday and gluts in the week. Funny thing was yesterday I went to do legs and could not even lift the Olympic bar. Got One hell of a calf work out though.

**jolter604** · 08-01-2015, 09:23 AM

OK I went One hand length above my knee instead of the side of leg. Much better I'm not limping around like a pimp. But I did not aspirate And I felt like my lungs were fuzzy or something of that effect. When I use my tren I will aspirate.

**NACH3** · 08-01-2015, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by jolter604

OK I went One hand length above my knee instead of the side of leg. Much better I'm not limping around like a pimp. But I did not aspirate And I felt like my lungs were fuzzy or something of that effect. When I use my tren I will aspirate.

Instead of that low on your leg... Try putting the base of your palm on your hip bone and pretty much where your middle finger is - is where I pin - it's about pocket height -- just go slow(I've been getting more pip from cyp/deca - also highly concentrated - but have noticed if I go even slower than 60s per ml it's much better - just a PIA - b/c prop doesn't hit me like so...

And start aspirating lol - didn't you see Samson thread w/the skin pin w/HCG - was right in a vein