Cycle Advise

[loxk47]

Hey all!

Stats
Age: 27
Height: 5'10
Weight: 212
BF:16%
Training Exp: 8 Years

I have done two 12 week cycles before

1: 500mg Test E every week and Anadrol 50 2x a day.
2: 500mg Test E every week and Anavar 80mg ED

Both HCG while on and Nolva and clomid for PCT

I want to get into a tren cycle. I was researching and everyone says go with ace for the first cycle to see how i react to it.

Call me a B*tch if you want but i hate pinning myself so i prefer the longer esters and plus i don't want to have to get creative with finding new spots to pin.

This is what i have written up as of now

Cycle
Test E: Week 1-12 125mg E3D (250mg a week)
Tren Ace: Week 3-12 100 EOD (300mg a weeK)
HCG: Week 1-12 250iu E3D (500 mg a week)
Caiber: Weeek 3-10 .5mg Once a week
Arimidex: .5mg EOD (im prone to gyno around week 7-8)

PCT (2 Weeks after last test pin)
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Clomid: 75/50/50/50

Although I've done cycles and know about Anabolics im still relatively new to cycling hard.

Don't flame me, im just someone who is responsible to be willing to ask and accept advice.

Thanks Guys!

[bloodchoke]

Call me a B*tch if you want but i hate pinning myself so i prefer the longer esters and plus i don't want to have to get creative with finding new spots to pin.

Bitch.

HAHA, just kidding, man! There's no shame in that. Those of us who like pinning are the weird ones.
I'll let a vet comment on your cycle. To my newbie eyes, it looks pretty good. Maybe only do the tren for 8 weeks? Have you had bloodwork done and are you going to have mid-cycle bloodwork done?

[loxk47]

yeah, I've got my blood work done already and i usually do again mid cycle and post cycle.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Test E monday/thirsday should be enough. Dont look at the terminal half life, look at standard halflife.

Why do you not start with tren a rigth away? Slow start, in my head though

But details, i think it looks good. Maybe up the clomid the two first weeks. If you ok With the sides.

I i know they recommend one to be taken a week longer. I dont remember if it was the clomid or the nolva.-)

And remember aspirin and grape for your red blood cells...

[loxk47]

Test E monday/thirsday should be enough. Dont look at the terminal half life, look at standard halflife.

Why do you not start with tren a rigth away? Slow start, in my head though

But details, i think it looks good. Maybe up the clomid the two first weeks. If you ok With the sides.

I i know they recommend one to be taken a week longer. I dont remember if it was the clomid or the nolva.-)

And remember aspirin and grape for your red blood cells...

my last cycle i actually ended up donating blood lol, but i wanted to wait to start the tren once the Test E starting actually working

[itsjayman02]

Hey all!

Stats
Age: 27
Height: 5'10
Weight: 212
BF:16%
Training Exp: 8 Years

I have done two 12 week cycles before

1: 500mg Test E every week and Anadrol 50 2x a day.
2: 500mg Test E every week and Anavar 80mg ED

Both HCG while on and Nolva and clomid for PCT

I want to get into a tren cycle. I was researching and everyone says go with ace for the first cycle to see how i react to it.

Call me a B*tch if you want but i hate pinning myself so i prefer the longer esters and plus i don't want to have to get creative with finding new spots to pin.

This is what i have written up as of now

Cycle
Test E: Week 1-12 125mg E3D (250mg a week)
Tren Ace: Week 3-12 100 EOD (300mg a weeK)
HCG: Week 1-12 250iu E3D (500 mg a week)
Caiber: Weeek 3-10 .5mg Once a week
Arimidex: .5mg EOD (im prone to gyno around week 7-8)

PCT (2 Weeks after last test pin)
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Clomid: 75/50/50/50

Although I've done cycles and know about Anabolics im still relatively new to cycling hard.

Don't flame me, im just someone who is responsible to be willing to ask and accept advice.

Thanks Guys!

i would leave tren till about your 5th cycle but if you are impatient you will do it now

if you dont want to pin eod then choosing tren a is a bad choice so is eod for tren then e3d for test

keep it simple and pin twice a week
switch to tren e from week 1-10
and run test to 12 weeks

pct first week 100 instead of 75

[Back In Black]

I'd run prop with ace if you really want to run tren already. You only need 4 sites for 9 weeks of prop and 7-8 weeks of ace. Glutes and delts.

I have to assume you will be cutting not bulking?

I can get great results from tren ace at 50mg EOD. It's a great starting point but you will need a great diet. It also allows you to keep your test fairly high, maybe 125mg EOD.

I'd extend the Nolva part of your PCT by 2 weeks. Tren is harsh and will shut you down completely VERY quickly so you want the best chance of recovery.

[loxk47]

I'd run prop with ace if you really want to run tren already. You only need 4 sites for 9 weeks of prop and 7-8 weeks of ace. Glutes and delts.

I have to assume you will be cutting not bulking?

I can get great results from tren ace at 50mg EOD. It's a great starting point but you will need a great diet. It also allows you to keep your test fairly high, maybe 125mg EOD.

I'd extend the Nolva part of your PCT by 2 weeks. Tren is harsh and will shut you down completely VERY quickly so you want the best chance of recovery.

I already have 3 vials of Test E left over from before so i figured i might as well used that because its just sitting here. Maybe next time i could use test with different ester but i want to get rid of the stuff that i have now.

[RangerDanger830]

Test E monday/thirsday should be enough. Dont look at the terminal half life, look at standard halflife. Why do you not start with tren a rigth away? Slow start, in my head though But details, i think it looks good. Maybe up the clomid the two first weeks. If you ok With the sides. I i know they recommend one to be taken a week longer. I dont remember if it was the clomid or the nolva.-) And remember aspirin and grape for your red blood cells...

I was reading through this post and didn't see anything worth commenting on that hadn't already been covered. I have a pet peeve about people not understanding how aspirin really works. I think this stems from a gross misuse of the drug in my county.

Could you clarify what you meant by aspirin for your red blood cells? Aspirin in no way affects red blood cells in number or function. The only way it would is if it is causing internal bleeding.

Aspirin acts primarily by actively inhibiting cyclooxygenase. COX-2 specifically prevents the production of prostaglandins which cause the pain sensation and causes inflammation and it prevents platelets from clogging as effectively.

COX-1 thickens your stomach lining. Unfortunately it inhibits that one too. Other prostaglandins cause platelets to stick together. When it binds to these it causes platelet inhibition.

While there are still a lot of questions concerning aspirin and high blood pressure, cialis is still a better alternative on cycle. Regardless, aspirin doesn't touch red blood cells except to lower the probability that they may clot together and form a blockage.

Here is an article for justification:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2010437/

[loxk47]

I decided to switch I'm going to run prop with the ace and shoot EOD. Should my program change any?

[loxk47]

Hey all!

Stats
Age: 27
Height: 5'10
Weight: 212
BF:16%
Training Exp: 8 Years

I have done two 12 week cycles before

1: 500mg Test E every week and Anadrol 50 2x a day.
2: 500mg Test E every week and Anavar 80mg ED

Both HCG while on and Nolva and clomid for PCT

I want to get into a tren cycle. I was researching and everyone says go with ace for the first cycle to see how i react to it.

Call me a B*tch if you want but i hate pinning myself so i prefer the longer esters and plus i don't want to have to get creative with finding new spots to pin.

This is what i have written up as of now

Cycle
Test E: Week 1-12 125mg E3D (250mg a week)
Tren Ace: Week 3-12 100 EOD (300mg a weeK)
HCG: Week 1-12 250iu E3D (500 mg a week)
Caiber: Weeek 3-10 .5mg Once a week
Arimidex: .5mg EOD (im prone to gyno around week 7-8)

PCT (2 Weeks after last test pin)
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Clomid: 75/50/50/50

Although I've done cycles and know about Anabolics im still relatively new to cycling hard.

Don't flame me, im just someone who is responsible to be willing to ask and accept advice.

Thanks Guys!

**************EDITED********************
Cycle
Update

Test E: Week 1-10 75mg EOD (225mg a week)
Tren Ace: Week 1-8 100 EOD (300mg a weeK)
HCG: Week 1-10 250iu E3D (500ius a week)
Caiber: Weeek 1-8 .5mg Once a week
Arimidex: .5mg EOD

PCT (3 days after last test pin)
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Clomid: 75/50/50/50

Diet
1850 calories
> 200g of protein a day
< 80g of carbs a day
Fat a little as possible (will be from nuts or avocados)

[Xphanial]

**************EDITED******************** Cycle Update Test E: Week 1-10 75mg EOD (225mg a week) Tren Ace: Week 1-8 100 EOD (300mg a weeK) HCG: Week 1-10 250iu E3D (500ius a week) Caiber: Weeek 1-8 .5mg Once a week Arimidex: .5mg EOD PCT (3 days after last test pin) Nolva: 40/20/20/20 Clomid: 75/50/50/50 Diet 1850 calories > 200g of protein a day < 80g of carbs a day Fat a little as possible (will be from nuts or avocados)

1850 ? O.o

[loxk47]

1850 ? O.o

Yeah, I'm an endomorph. I can gain muscle easily but I can gain fat easily too. I honestly usually maintain on 2300 calories. People think i don't eat enough for how big I am but I know my body.

[Chicagotarsier]

Aspirin causes the static attraction of blood cells to lessen which in turn lessens the amount of big clusters flowing through your body. This helps prevent stroke. It does not reduce RBC and does not change Hemocrit issues you run into. It is a "nice thing to have" at best.

Cialis is no substitute for an Ace Inhibitor and Beta Blocker for blood pressure regulation. ANYONE can get these. Cialis is a good thing for many reasons but does not cover the complete area Test and Tren impact. On last cycle my stats (everyone is different) with a just given blood and HCT < 45%

Nothing = 150/90
Cialis only= 140/85
Ace + Beta = 120/75
Ace + Beta + Cialis = 120/75

Do not get me wrong I love Cialis more than bouncing big titties but it is no substitute for inexpensive OTC medication. You can order Beta and Ace from almost any country on earth. Here in China Merec produces both.

For me Cialis is great but not as good as traditional treatment.

I was reading through this post and didn't see anything worth commenting on that hadn't already been covered. I have a pet peeve about people not understanding how aspirin really works. I think this stems from a gross misuse of the drug in my county.

Could you clarify what you meant by aspirin for your red blood cells? Aspirin in no way affects red blood cells in number or function. The only way it would is if it is causing internal bleeding.

Aspirin acts primarily by actively inhibiting cyclooxygenase. COX-2 specifically prevents the production of prostaglandins which cause the pain sensation and causes inflammation and it prevents platelets from clogging as effectively.

COX-1 thickens your stomach lining. Unfortunately it inhibits that one too. Other prostaglandins cause platelets to stick together. When it binds to these it causes platelet inhibition.

While there are still a lot of questions concerning aspirin and high blood pressure, cialis is still a better alternative on cycle. Regardless, aspirin doesn't touch red blood cells except to lower the probability that they may clot together and form a blockage.

Here is an article for justification:

A prospective study of aspirin's effect on red blood cell loss in cardiac surgery. - PubMed - NCBI

[RangerDanger830]

I just want to reiterate that it has nothing to do with any form of static attraction. It binds to the platelets so they cannot bind to each other.

[loxk47]

My thread just got high jacked :/

[loxk47]

Bump

[AR's King Silabolin]

Could you clarify what you meant by aspirin for your red blood cells? Aspirin in no way affects red blood cells in number or function. The only way it would is if it is causing internal bleeding.

Aspirin acts primarily by actively inhibiting cyclooxygenase. COX-2 specifically prevents the production of prostaglandins which cause the pain sensation and causes inflammation and it prevents platelets from clogging as effectively.

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The value i fear the most when cycling is the hematocrit/rbc. Elevation can kill you. Steroids increases the rbc making your blood thick as motoroil and the transport of oxygen more difficult. Grape and aspirin may do your blood thinner and reduce the chances of clot. The elevated RBC is a reason for increased clotdanger. Thats why i said remember rbc.

I can explain it in norwegian if you want!

[Back In Black]

I think your tren dose is too high for a first time run.

[loxk47]

I think your tren dose is too high for a first time run.

Should I drop it down to 75mg EOD?

[Back In Black]

Should I drop it down to 75mg EOD?

Post #7 above.

[loxk47]

Post #7 above.

50mg it is, shouldn't I drop my test a tad bit though also? I thought it was best to keep your test lower than your tren to minimize the sides.

[Back In Black]

50mg it is, shouldn't I drop my test a tad bit though also? I thought it was best to keep your test lower than your tren to minimize the sides.

Lower tren will minimise sides. There are no hard and fast rules rules about low or high test with tren. Suffice to say that high amounts of either will lead to more sides anyway.

As long as you know how to control your E2 with a higher test dose then I would be inclined to up it rather than lower it. Test is the greatest compound there is (test is best) the others are just icing on the cake IMO.

[RangerDanger830]

The value i fear the most when cycling is the hematocrit/rbc. Elevation can kill you. Steroids increases the rbc making your blood thick as motoroil and the transport of oxygen more difficult. Grape and aspirin may do your blood thinner and reduce the chances of clot. The elevated RBC is a reason for increased clotdanger. Thats why i said remember rbc. I can explain it in norwegian if you want!

Nah you're good, I keep forgetting about you being ESL.

[bloodchoke]

**************EDITED********************

PCT (3 days after last test pin)
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Clomid: 75/50/50/50

You should extend your PCT, too, since you're running a 19-nor (per post #7).

I'm assuming that this is a cutting cycle? (1850 cals)

[Back In Black]

And your PCT needs to start 14 days after last test pin if you are using enanthate.

[kelkel]

Should I drop it down to 75mg EOD?

Post #7 above.

Totally agree. And take your caber at .25 x 2 per week.

[loxk47]

And your PCT needs to start 14 days after last test pin if you are using enanthate.

I think I'm just going to get some test prob and use the enth later. That way I can load the same barrel and call it a day.