3rd Cycle

[Irish_muscle]

Hi,

Just started my 3rd cycle, the previous two cycles took me from 86kg to 101 kg with minimum water retention and bodyfat at 12%, I've followed the PCT and losses have been minimal.

This new cycle is among the "heavy weights" , cycle is split between 12 weeks:

Week 1-2 "Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 50mg/day = 350 mg / week Testosterone 300 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone 150mg / Week (100/50 mg shots) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day"


From Week 3 on the weekly dosages are as follows: Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 100mg/day = 700 mg / week Testosterone (cypionate) 600 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone acetate 200mg / Week (two shots) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day


From Week 4-10 is Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 150mg/day = 1050 mg / week Testosterone (cypionate) 600 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone acetate 200mg / Week (two shots) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day


Week 11-12 "Oxymetholone (Anadrol) 50mg/day = 350 mg / week Testosterone (cypionate) 300 mg/Week (one shot) Trenbolone acetate 75mg / Week (one shot) 7 Tab Tamox 1/day 7 tab Clomyd 1 Vial HCG (week 11)


Goal is to put 20-30 lbs. muscle


My Stats are

AGE 45

WEIGHT 102kg (as of yesterday)

Height 6'2"

I know is very hard and I intend this to be my last cycle for a while, but would be grateful for any comments. Some stuff is missing in the pic, will arrive on time though

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[TheTaxMan]

PCT? AI?
HCG should be ran through the full cycle not just at the last week.

Looks to me there is alot going on, quite confusing and hard to read, a little bit of a mess. Theres alot of different doseages at different weeks etc, almost like a pyramid, I think your using the oral anadrol for too long.

What are your previous cycles? Compounds and doseages?

[bigdil511]

You're going to run anadrol for 10 weeks? What liver support supplements will you be using because that's a long time for any oral. Also the test why one shot? 600mg in one shot is a lot of gear should be split into two shots. I'm sure some of the vets can comment and be more helpful than I.

[Irish_muscle]

Liv-52
I am unsure about the 600 mg in one shot but if I split it in two it would be almost an injection every day.

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[Irish_muscle]

PCT? AI? HCG should be ran through the full cycle not just at the last week. Looks to me there is alot going on, quite confusing and hard to read, a little bit of a mess. Theres alot of different doseages at different weeks etc, almost like a pyramid, I think your using the oral anadrol for too long. What are your previous cycles? Compounds and doseages?

The idea is to increase and decrease periodically, previous cycles were mostly test+equipoise+winstrol. I've heard great things about the tren+test+anadrol stack, that's why I'm giving it a try.

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[Irish_muscle]

PCT? AI? HCG should be ran through the full cycle not just at the last week. Looks to me there is alot going on, quite confusing and hard to read, a little bit of a mess. Theres alot of different doseages at different weeks etc, almost like a pyramid, I think your using the oral anadrol for too long. What are your previous cycles? Compounds and doseages?

The idea is to increase and decrease periodically, previous cycles were mostly test+equipoise+winstrol. I've heard great things about the tren+test+anadrol stack, that's why I'm giving it a try.

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[Back In Black]

How long did you take off after your last cycle? 6 weeks? Maybe 8?

As said, no AI? No HCG? And anadrol for 12 weeks? If you aren't suffering from kidney trauma by the end please let us know your results. Joking aside (not really joking you are asking for trouble) you are potentially going to have real problems with this cycle.

No real on cycle ancillaries. I can't make head nor tail of any pct that you appear to mention as taking place in the last couple of weeks of your cycle. Anadrol for 12 weeks will fvck your liver.

Oh, and 20-30lbs of muscle? No, sorry, that's way out there. You don't gain that and retain it on your first cycle so you aren't on this one I'm afraid.

I suggest you go back to the drawing board buddy.

[free_at_last]

since it looks like you have everything in-hand and ready to roll, you might as well make the most out of it. first off tho, a couple of things jump right off the page at me:

1) do NOT run the a-bombs more than 4 wks (5 wks tops). i'd run 'em at 100mg/ed wks 1-4.....do NOT do anadrol for 12 weeks please!
2) the tren-ace needs to be pinned at least EOD. if you had the enanthate version you could pin it twice/wk but ace needs to be pinned EOD or ED. I pin mine ED for more stable blood levels and reduced sides that come with the stable blood levels. i'd run the tren-ace at 75mg/eod, considering this is your first tren run?
3) i'm not sure that i'm a fan of pyramiding. I know it's how we used to do it back in the mid-90's but I honestly don't think there's a benefit to it. I would just simply pick a dosage based on my goals and run with it.

you're not far from working this into a great cycle. test/tren/anadrol is one of my favorites actually....up there with test/deca/d-bol. just do a little more research before the rest of your gear arrives and run with it. important thing is to stay safe and have fun!! good luck...keep us posted, bro!

[Euroholic]

Why not just run test at a trt dose or slighty more and run tren or even deca. No need for anadrol.

[Irish_muscle]

Thanks for the responses!

From what I’ve read the hepatotoxicity of the A-Bombs is more related with the dosage, rather than the length, still it sounds reasonable not to run an Oral for such a long period.

The other issue I have is with pinching on a daily basis, seems than Tren leaves the spot particularly sore for a couple of days, meaning I am running out of spots to pinch if I do it daily, tried the outer part of the Quad, and I was limping for a couple of days, not that I don’t know how to pinch, this is my third cycle since I retook it, but I’ve been pinching since my early 20’s. A trainer of mine said it was good to pinch on the muscles you were about to train that day, but that didn’t really work for me. Nevertheless I agree that is better to keep the blood levels balanced, that is also why I was usure about pinching 600mg test at once, rather than divide it into several dosages.

[AR's King Silabolin]

The idea is to increase and decrease periodically, previous cycles were mostly test+equipoise+winstrol. I've heard great things about the tren+test+anadrol stack, that's why I'm giving it a try.

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Yeah...tren a, sustanon and anadrol is one of the most famous steroidgurus personal cycle favourite. Mr Piana. But do you have a deathwish? 45 and anadrol 12 weeks???...come on man, no sense in this. If you stil alive, you will loose Your weitgh short time after no matter what. 2-4 weeks as a kickstart, but no more. And there is more safe starters than anadrol.

[ambernightly]

OP, here's your plot. I think you need to adjust esters and definitely not do aDrol for anywhere near that long. 50mg/ED is going to be just as good as 150mg but with less sides and less stress on your liver/kidneys. 150mg/ED will bloat you up like an overgrown baby and you'll feel like shit. 100mg/ED is already high enough (done it myself for 4+ weeks).

Suggestions:
* start week 1-2 with Tren-A then switch to Tren-E
* don't do aDrol for 12 weeks. Cycle it, 2-4 weeks on and 2-4 weeks off. Or just do 4 total weeks in the middle of cycle and then let it go. You'll lose most of the gains from it - you just want to rely on as little as possible of aDrol to get the anabolic profile to assist in lifts that Tren will help put on lean mass that you can retain + the joint lubrication qualities of aDrol.
* Split Test injections to EOD instead of 2x/week. This will keep your peaks/valleys low and get you a higher quality cycle w/ more consistent hormone levels and less sides.
* where's your PCT?

Aim for getting those peaks and valleys into more of a "ripple in a pond" vs "cardiac arrest spikes" kind of saturation curves. I've attached a second pic for comparison (totally different compounds than you're on but useful for the comparison that I'm trying to explain where it comes to consistent dosing that smooths out doses.)


Steroid Plot URL: https://tinyurl.com/nkz9tfv

• 50 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 1 through week 2.
• 100 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 3 through week 3.
• 150 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 4 through week 10.
• 50 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 11 through week 12.
• 300 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 1 through week 2.
• 600 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 3 through week 3.
• 600 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 4 through week 10.
• 300 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 11 through week 12.
• 50 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 1 through week 2.
• 100 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 3 through week 10.
• 100 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 11 through week 12.

Cardiac Arrest Peaks+Valleys



Ripples in a Pond

[Irish_muscle]

OP, here's your plot. I think you need to adjust esters and definitely not do aDrol for anywhere near that long. 50mg/ED is going to be just as good as 150mg but with less sides and less stress on your liver/kidneys. 150mg/ED will bloat you up like an overgrown baby and you'll feel like shit. 100mg/ED is already high enough (done it myself for 4+ weeks). Suggestions: * start week 1-2 with Tren-A then switch to Tren-E * don't do aDrol for 12 weeks. Cycle it, 2-4 weeks on and 2-4 weeks off. Or just do 4 total weeks in the middle of cycle and then let it go. You'll lose most of the gains from it - you just want to rely on as little as possible of aDrol to get the anabolic profile to assist in lifts that Tren will help put on lean mass that you can retain + the joint lubrication qualities of aDrol. * Split Test injections to EOD instead of 2x/week. This will keep your peaks/valleys low and get you a higher quality cycle w/ more consistent hormone levels and less sides. * where's your PCT? Aim for getting those peaks and valleys into more of a "ripple in a pond" vs "cardiac arrest spikes" kind of saturation curves. I've attached a second pic for comparison (totally different compounds than you're on but useful for the comparison that I'm trying to explain where it comes to consistent dosing that smooths out doses.) Steroid Plot URL: https://tinyurl.com/nkz9tfv[*]50 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 1 through week 2.[*]100 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 3 through week 3.[*]150 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 4 through week 10.[*]50 mg Anadrol, taken every day from week 11 through week 12.[*]300 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 1 through week 2.[*]600 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 3 through week 3.[*]600 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 4 through week 10.[*]300 mg Testosterone Cypionate, taken every 7 days from week 11 through week 12.[*]50 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 1 through week 2.[*]100 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 3 through week 10.[*]100 mg Trenbolone Acetate, taken every 3 days from week 11 through week 12. Cardiac Arrest Peaks+Valleys <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=159014"/> Ripples in a Pond <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=159015"/>

Thanks!

Maybe I am reading it wrong, the plot does say to take a-drol for 12 weeks and 600mg of test in one shot?
I like the Idea of switching compounds every week and split the dosages more evenly.
Right know I am in week nr 2 so I can easily adjust without loosing anything.
For the pct appart from hcg and clomyd and tamox I was thinking aminoacids, glutamine and lower the carb increase the protein intake.
I take everyday
Cod liver 1 tab
Fish oil 1 tab
Pharmaton 1 tab
Calcium 1 tab
Vitamin C 1 tab

Almost only drink iced green decoffeinated tea, (about 3 ltrs ED) no alcohol, processed fats (no cheat day).

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[Irish_muscle]

How does this look like:

WEEKS 3, 5, 7, 9

100 Mg. Anadrol / ED

75 Mg. Trenbolone / EOD

20 Mg Nolva / ED

WEEKS 4, 6, 8, 10

100 Mg. Anadrol / ED

150mg Cypionate / EOD

20 Mg Nolva / ED

PCT

20 Mg Nolva / ED

Terpafen 50 mg /ED from Week 6

HCG 20 days after last pin

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[mark woods]

Hi mate your irish I'm guessing??haha
I used that biosira stuff before and it's CRAP used there tren A and it was like I doubled my test dose so have a guess what I reckon was it?!?!I got mine of a friend of a friend in Dublin...never again!

[mark woods]

Thanks for the responses!

From what I've read the hepatotoxicity of the A-Bombs is more related with the dosage, rather than the length, still it sounds reasonable not to run an Oral for such a long period.

The other issue I have is with pinching on a daily basis, seems than Tren leaves the spot particularly sore for a couple of days, meaning I am running out of spots to pinch if I do it daily, tried the outer part of the Quad, and I was limping for a couple of days, not that I don't know how to pinch, this is my third cycle since I retook it, but I've been pinching since my early 20's. A trainer of mine said it was good to pinch on the muscles you were about to train that day, but that didn't really work for me. Nevertheless I agree that is better to keep the blood levels balanced, that is also why I was usure about pinching 600mg test at once, rather than divide it into several dosages.

Have trouble pinning use insulin needles,divide your quad into 3 sections upper middle lower pin tren A eod in each section so if using both legs it'll be the 7th pin before you use the same area,I also use trt so test is the delts all with insulin needles and PAINLESS!!

[Irish_muscle]

Hi mate your irish I'm guessing??haha I used that biosira stuff before and it's CRAP used there tren A and it was like I doubled my test dose so have a guess what I reckon was it?!?!I got mine of a friend of a friend in Dublin...never again!

Lol thanks will keep an eye, my source is direct so I can complain if I see it doesn't work.
So far so good tho

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[Irish_muscle]

Have trouble pinning use insulin needles,divide your quad into 3 sections upper middle lower pin tren A eod in each section so if using both legs it'll be the 7th pin before you use the same area,I also use trt so test is the delts all with insulin needles and PAINLESS!!

Though test would be too thick for insulin, plus is subdermal for 1mil is not too much?

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[mark woods]

Is your test the same colour as your tren?

[mark woods]

I do ALL pinning with slin needles only prob is when I run a blend which can be thick i.e 450ml...still no prob I draw with 21g and back load the slin pins all very easy and you never have to jab urself with HARPOON!

[Irish_muscle]

Is your test the same colour as your tren?

No, tren is dark yellow

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[Irish_muscle]

I do ALL pinning with slin needles only prob is when I run a blend which can be thick i.e 450ml...still no prob I draw with 21g and back load the slin pins all very easy and you never have to jab urself with HARPOON!

Cool will try have to geet the needles, you know that only the junkies get 'em easy ?

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[Irish_muscle]

I do ALL pinning with slin needles only prob is when I run a blend which can be thick i.e 450ml...still no prob I draw with 21g and back load the slin pins all very easy and you never have to jab urself with HARPOON!

F*ck yeap leg still hurts from last sat !

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[mark woods]

Cool will try have to geet the needles, you know that only the junkies get 'em easy ?

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Well you could go a needle exchange and they will give u a mth supply or ebay??

[Irish_muscle]

Well you could go a needle exchange and they will give u a mth supply or ebay??

Lol ebay better :-)

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[Irish_muscle]

Think I nailed it

50mg Tren EOD

100mg Anadrol ED


200mg Test cypionate EOD +

Nolva Clomid ED


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[Back In Black]

Think I nailed it 50mg Tren EOD 100mg Anadrol ED 200mg Test cypionate EOD + Nolva Clomid ED Sent from my iPhone using Forum

Over what period for each?

HCG?

AI?

Mikva and clomid during cycle or what?

[Irish_muscle]

Over what period for each? HCG? AI? Mikva and clomid during cycle or what?

HCG 20 days after last shot now on week 3 adrol for 2 more weeks, the rest till week 10
Nolva and clomid during and after cycle

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[Back In Black]

HCG should be used in cycle.

Why would you take nolva and clomid during cycle?

AI?

[Irish_muscle]

HCG should be used in cycle. Why would you take nolva and clomid during cycle? AI?

If I am using SERM I don't see why I should take AI, plus the adverse effwcts offset the benefits.

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[Mr.BB]

If I am using SERM I don't see why I should take AI, plus the adverse effwcts offset the benefits.

SERMs dont reduce the serum estrogen, you will need an AI for that.

If you think about it, the only side from high E2 you are preventing is gyno (cause of the nolva, the clomid its just a waste lol).

What adverse effects are you talking about???

[Back In Black]

For somebody running advanced compounds your rudimentary knowledge is severely lacking. I get why people think that nolva on cycle is ok, it's old school. But clomid too?

Plus you've been here long enough, been directed to well run cycles and still come up with this.

I'm gonna wish you luck mate and suggest you do your research fully in future rather than starting incomplete cycles and still not getting it right several weeks in in spite of advice given.

So, good luck.

[Irish_muscle]

For somebody running advanced compounds your rudimentary knowledge is severely lacking. I get why people think that nolva on cycle is ok, it's old school. But clomid too? Plus you've been here long enough, been directed to well run cycles and still come up with this. I'm gonna wish you luck mate and suggest you do your research fully in future rather than starting incomplete cycles and still not getting it right several weeks in in spite of advice given. So, good luck.

I can't argue nor benefit from a plain critic. Thanks anyway .

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[NACH3]

I can't argue nor benefit from a plain critic. Thanks anyway .

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Tell em how you plan to eat 8000kcak a day, too lol! a dirty bulk on top of it - no AI/& blasting hCG at the end -clomid and Nolva during - what have you learned here

[Back In Black]

I can't argue nor benefit from a plain critic. Thanks anyway . Sent from my iPhone using Forum

Critique not critic. And you can't/shouldn't argue in this case anyway.

Good luck.

[NACH3]

How does this look like:

WEEKS 3, 5, 7, 9

100 Mg. Anadrol / ED

75 Mg. Trenbolone / EOD

20 Mg Nolva / ED

WEEKS 4, 6, 8, 10

100 Mg. Anadrol / ED

150mg Cypionate / EOD

20 Mg Nolva / ED

PCT

20 Mg Nolva / ED

Terpafen 50 mg /ED from Week 6

HCG 20 days after last pin

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HCG on cycle(why use a suppressive at the end when trying to recover - doesn't make much sense) plus taking it while on cycle keeps your testes functional which aids in a better recovery!

Why clomid/nolva(I see for gyno if you had a flare up) but no need on cycle(I've not heard of clomid being used on cycle)?!

A-drol - please listen and don't run it consecutively for 12 wks you'll be yellow(w/jaundice) - what you could also do is pulse your oral(like Ambernightly suggested) but you could do it 14on 10of 14 on 14 off etc - this saves your liver(please take good liver supps too) and cuts down on side effects - if you experience any sides from the a-drol drop it immediately as your defeating the purpose of a pulse!

Plus Where's your DA, AI etc?