My second cycle Testoviron+ deca

[Simeon333]

Hiiiiiii.. I wanted to offer my second cycle. how does it look?

1 week: Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 150 mg
2 week :Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 150 mg
3 week : Testoviron 250 mg+deca 200 mg
4 week: Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 200 mg
5 week :Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 150 mg + 20 mg/die di Nolvadex + 50mg/die Proviron
6 week : Testoviron 250 mg+deca 150 mg+ 20 mg/die di Nolvadex +50mg/die Proviron.

two weeks after the last injection: 2 weeks with 30-40 mg /die nolvadex
I did not put hcg because this cycle did not seem too suppressive
Thx for the answer

[Mr.BB]

It looks like a waste.

250mg is very low on testosterone. Deca 150/200 will do nothing specially in such a short time.

How about you start by telling us your stats and age?

[Simeon333]

I'm 23 years old... 5'11 x 182 lbs... BF 9%... 5 years of training

[aurelian87]

i am new to steroids and in my opinion your cycle looks like sh!t, way to short and low dose
maybe try it like this
500mg test 14 weeks
400mg deca 12 weeks
PCT clomid and nolvadex

this is just some info for you to see how an other newbie would do his second cycle, wait for some answers from the experinced user.

[AR's King Silabolin]

I dont think its a waste. Its not about a low decadose will do nothing. Its the total pr week. Synergieffect. And you got 400-450 a week. Thats a nice start. If youre new to it, i def think you will feel it from week1. Just remember to pin 3 times a week for max results. Read about test p (which is in testoviron) and deca halflives and you will understand.
And With your length and dosage the sides would be minimal. Maybe you even dont have to take a DA and AI. Maybe the best Choice would be to have those two on hands, do at BW at week 3,5 and check e2 and prolactin.

Its always best to keep it as low as possible for max gains. And some of us are very sensitive. We can grow on min dosages. But some of us needs higher dosages to grow. Start low. Doing 500 mg test and 400 mg deca for second cycle is a waste.

[Back In Black]

Can you detail your first cycle?

What brand is your testiviron? There's every chance it is enanthate with no prop.

[almostgone]

Can you detail your first cycle?

What brand is your testiviron? There's every chance it is enanthate with no prop.

Yes sir. The last I got is enanthate in arachis oil.

[Mr.BB]

I'm 23 years old... 5'11 x 182 lbs... BF 9%... 5 years of training

Think you are bit on the young side to be using. Do you know you have higher chances of getting hormonal problems for life?

Have you taken blood work after 1st cycle?

About the cycle you proposed its a waste because its too short. By the time the long esters you are using are in complete concentration in blood you thinking of ending it.

250mgs of testoviron (testosterone enanthate) has 180mg of real testosterone, with a half life of about 8 days if you make the calculations it will give you a short time at maximum concentration. Deca has one of the slowest esters so it will be even slower to reach maximum serum concentration.
150-200mgs of nandrolone its what im using to help with my elbow injuries, so its only a therapeutical dose.

You say its not a supressive cycle? you are dead wrong, only one shot of deca will shut you down completely. Its one of the most supressive compounds, and harder to come off, of course the long esters doesnt help a bit. Deca can be detected for over 1 year...

If you want to do nandrolone, go for the short ester, NPP (nandrolone phenyl-proprianate), run it at least for 7 weeks at 400-500 mgs per week. You can keep the testosterone low, or you can increase to 500mgs per week. Run the testosterone 1-2 weeks longer than the nandrolone.

You will need AI, HCG and also a DA (dopamine agonist) like cabergoline to control prolactin.

PCT should be nolvadex and clomid.

[Simeon333]

My first cycle
Deca 50 mg
Deca 100mg
Deca 150mg
Deca 200 mg
Deca 200mg
Deca 150 mg + winstrol every 2 days

I know that the dosages are low but i had an excellent yield of definition and maintained the same ground that i had in mass. As pct i had two weeks of proviron to 15 days after the last injection of deca

[Mr.BB]

My first cycle
Deca 50 mg
Deca 100mg
Deca 150mg
Deca 200 mg
Deca 200mg
Deca 150 mg + winstrol every 2 days

I know that the dosages are low but i had an excellent yield of definition and maintained the same ground that i had in mass. As pct i had two weeks of proviron to 15 days after the last injection of deca

How long ago was this?

[mark woods]

This shit can't be real a 6 week cycle with 2 compounds and not even going over 500mg?!ok 250 mg of test won't even double your natty levels and deca will take a good few weeks to work...as for your first cycle OMG!!dude you need to read the stickies and see where your going wrong!

[kelkel]

You're not ready for this. Visit the Nutrition Forum and work on your diet, stick around here and learn.

[Simeon333]

Then I suggested to do ? The cycle was done 2 months ago

[Mr.BB]

Then I suggested to do ? The cycle was done 2 months ago

I bet you did not recover from your 1st cycle...

Really advise you to take blood work and check your testosterone, free testosterone, LH and FSH. Starting a new cycle without recovering your natural testosterone levels will make recovery even harder. You can very easily end up with low testosterone for life, and at age 23 its really a life changing event.

[Simeon333]

but I feel fine now . I Had a slight drop in desire A few weeks ago , however, I always Had the penis Active

[Mr.BB]

but I feel fine now . I Had a slight drop in desire A few weeks ago , however, I always Had the penis Active

It doesnt mean you recovered. Only blood work will tell.

[Simeon333]

Ok i will be booking exams then. This cycle of Testoviron wanted to do it in november anyway .. Not now

[Simeon333]

Total e free test + LH+ SHBG. Ok?

[Simeon333]

Sorry ... Testoviron has only enanthate without prop.

[TheTaxMan]

You ran a previous deca cycle without test? Wow

Ive done one deca cycle and it was test e 500mg 14 weeks, deca 400mg 12 weeks

But as some of the vets have mentioned above, drop the gear for now, get diet and training in order and read around alot!

[Mr.BB]

Total e free test + LH+ SHBG. Ok?

Total T
Free T
LH
FSH
Sensitive E2
Prolactin
DHT(optional)
SHBG(optional)
TSH(optional)
T3/T4(optional)

These are the hormones you need to test, of course you should also see bloods, liver, kidneys, lipids... Add this to check your global health:

CBC (complete blood count)
Blood lipids (cholesterol)
Creatinine
eGFR
AST
ALT
Bilirubin
GGT
Alcaline Fosfatase
Vitamin D(optional)
Vitamin B12(optional)
IGF1(optional)

[Simeon333]

Test 21,27 (4,94-32,01 range)
SHBG 34 (11-78 range)
Free androgen index 62,6 (20,4-81,2 range)
Ast 57
Alt 75
GGT 17
HDL 77
LDL 84
I did these. How are they doing?
CBC it's ok.

[here2grow]

Hiiiiiii.. I wanted to offer my second cycle. how does it look?

1 week: Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 150 mg
2 week :Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 150 mg
3 week : Testoviron 250 mg+deca 200 mg
4 week: Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 200 mg
5 week :Testoviron 250 mg+ deca 150 mg + 20 mg/die di Nolvadex + 50mg/die Proviron
6 week : Testoviron 250 mg+deca 150 mg+ 20 mg/die di Nolvadex +50mg/die Proviron.

two weeks after the last injection: 2 weeks with 30-40 mg /die nolvadex
I did not put hcg because this cycle did not seem too suppressive
Thx for the answer

So your going to stop the cycle when it kicks in hahahaha

[Simeon333]

Had I but also good results !

[Simeon333]

I thought oh no excuse speak of the previous cycle
But i want take 10 lbs max! I want make a little cycle!

[here2grow]

I thought oh no excuse speak of the previous cycle
But i want take 10 lbs max! I want make a little cycle!

oh yeah that's fantastic

[Simeon333]

.... And blood tests? It's ok ?