most aggressive bulk cycle

[gymfu]

hey all its been a long time since ive been on here but learned a lot back in the day from these forums.

Since I have competed in several BB shows and ran several bulk cycles.
I've always followed two rules, keep the doses reasonable and stay off as long or longer than I was on.

I have put on around at least 50lbs of quality muscle since highschool, but that just isnt enough to be competitive in the open class at local shows here.

I have to get bigger, I want to get bigger.

I would love to hear from some very seasoned guys on extremely aggressive buling cycles. I have something in mind but would like to hear from yall first.

Stats:
5-10
220lbs
6-8% bf (was 4.9% last week at competition)
lifting 16 years
BB/cycling for 5 years

thanks!!

[qscgugcsq]

Well, extremely agressive bulking cycle I would see.

1g test
1g tren -e
50mg dbol daily
50mg anadrol daily
50mg proviron daily
Gh 3-5ui daily
(Insulin in the mix would help for size even if I dont recommend it for obvious reason)
GHRP-6 in the mix could help increase appetite without dramaticly increase RBC(like EQ would.do)

This would be IMO a pretty huge and aggressive bulking cycle.

More reasonnable cycle would consist of 700mg test
700mg tren
50mg dbol
50mg.proviron
Something I would consider this winter. If I get lean enough.

Btw im greatly biaised cause Im addicted to.tren and hate any form.of nandrolone ...

But switch one another would be viable.

[davidtheman100]

250 mg test prop eod
200 mg tren ace eod
100 mg mast eod
100 mg drol ed

Should def use GH if you can afford...This will probably grow you into the dimensions you're thinking about when you imagine what your physique would be like after your bulk....

[< <Samson> >]

If this was me, which is still all not that far advanced:

1g a week of test
500mg+ a week of deca
50mg a day of dBol
4iu a day of GH

[PT]

I like the deca , test, d-bol option. By far my favorite for gaining but as you know already, the foods you eat and how much you eat will decide what happens

[Euroholic]

Well if you remember the bears he claimed to be on 3 grams test 2 grams tren a week. Thats a insane amount if you ask me

[Buster Brown]

It's kind of a funny question......if your talking about compound selection IMO tes/tren /drol is tough to beat. Dosage wise.......that's pretty individualistic as some grow better at certain dosages than others and need much less and vice versa.

[tice1212]

I like the deca, test, d-bol option. By far my favorite for gaining but as you know already, the foods you eat and how much you eat will decide what happens

Food over compounds IMO. If ur macro/calories are in the range to bulk then ur going to grow with just a little amount of gear now don't get me wrong a sh*t ton of gear will make u grow even if ur food intake is not to par BUT the gains will not last because the fuel (I.e. food) is not there to feed them.

It's kind of a funny question......if your talking about compound selection IMO tes/tren/drol is tough to beat. Dosage wise.......that's pretty individualistic as some grow better at certain dosages than others and need much less and vice versa.

I totally agree.. My gains are much more solid on high test 1g+. Even those tren has a high A/A ratio I still feel like my gainz are better on high test. Never tried drol so I can't speak on it but obviously its a powerhouse drug

[tice1212]

Also with those stats do u mind posting s picture .. Those are some impressive stats... Plus what was ur heaviest cycle. Its hard to give u a hardcore bulking cycle if I don't know where ur limits are. Because some people think 500mg test, 500mg tren and a kick start like tbol is a heavy cycle and other would like that 2grsm test, 1g tren, drol, dbol , slin is a heavy cycle. IMO we need to now where u have been to give u a proper answer.

[davidtheman100]

Food over compounds IMO. If ur macro/calories are in the range to bulk then ur going to grow with just a little amount of gear now don't get me wrong a sh*t ton of gear will make u grow even if ur food intake is not to par BUT the gains will not last because the fuel (I.e. food) is not there to feed them.



I totally agree.. My gains are much more solid on high test 1g+. Even those tren has a high A/A ratio I still feel like my gainz are better on high test. Never tried drol so I can't speak on it but obviously its a powerhouse drug

If you're 5'10" 6% 220 then this means that you have to be on a minimum of certain anabolics at a calorie maintenance to maintain your size...Meaning you drop below a certain dosage of drugs and now matter how much you eat you are not improving...

[gymfu]

Thanks for the responses guys. I just got my photos from my show last weekend and when I get them in my comp I'll try to get one on up here. My heaviest bulk was 1gr of test
500mg Deca
400mg EQ
50mg anadrol (first 4 weeks)
3ius gh + insulin PWO

I gained 30 lbs that cycle. And comparing weight from last show to the one before it was a solid 10lbs of muscle.

I know diet is paramount. Pretty sure I'm good on that front. I was eating 7 meals/day for that last bulk.

[gymfu]

My maintenance after I cycle is my trt. 200mg test.
And what I've been doing in the past is about 2-3 weeks before I'm ready to start another cycle I go off that too and run hcg only.
This really seems to clean out the receptors and improves gains from cycles.
Eating clean year around makes all the difference in keeping as much as possible when off.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

My maintenance after I cycle is my trt. 200mg test. And what I've been doing in the past is about 2-3 weeks before I'm ready to start another cycle I go off that too and run hcg only. This really seems to clean out the receptors and improves gains from cycles. Eating clean year around makes all the difference in keeping as much as possible when off.

Receptors don't need to be cleaned out.

[NACH3]

If you're 5'10" 6% 220 then this means that you have to be on a minimum of certain anabolics at a calorie maintenance to maintain your size...Meaning you drop below a certain dosage of drugs and now matter how much you eat you are not improving...

Isn't that what maintaining is?!?!

[tectime]

To op: dude at 5,10" 220 @ 6 you are a monster. I really never care to see pics of others dudes but id like to see that! I'm 5'10" 193 @10 and get called at beast all the time in the gym. I'm working towards 205 @10 and that's tough so if you are 220/6 dude that's impressive.

[tice1212]

To op: dude at 5,10" 220 @ 6 you are a monster. I really never care to see pics of others dudes but id like to see that! I'm 5'10" 193 @10 and get called at beast all the time in the gym. I'm working towards 205 @10 and that's tough so if you are 220/6 dude that's impressive.

Exactly

[davidtheman100]

To op: dude at 5,10" 220 @ 6 you are a monster. I really never care to see pics of others dudes but id like to see that! I'm 5'10" 193 @10 and get called at beast all the time in the gym. I'm working towards 205 @10 and that's tough so if you are 220/6 dude that's impressive.

That is nothing for a modern-day Npc competitor these days lol just the very top of bodybuilding sucks...everything in between have improved tremendously.... it just comes down to genetic structure because someones 220 could destroy his 220 as well....You look good but at the same time there are multiple gym rats in decent gyms that have the same stats as you and don't even think about competing....

[212OlympiaBound]

I would have to recommend staying away from tren . For me, it seriously slows down mass gains. Alot of other bodybuilders will agree with me.

That being said,
run test and deca in about a 1:1 ratio at whatever dose you see fit.
Pop adrol and dbol in a 2:1 ratio postworkout. I would recommend 100mg/50mg

[musclestack]

I would have to recommend staying away from tren. For me, it seriously slows down mass gains. Alot of other bodybuilders will agree with me. That being said, run test and deca in about a 1:1 ratio at whatever dose you see fit. Pop adrol and dbol in a 2:1 ratio postworkout. I would recommend 100mg/50mg

Could you explain how Tren slows down your mass gains? It happens to be one of the best compounds for lean mass.

[212OlympiaBound]

Could you explain how Tren slows down your mass gains? It happens to be one of the best compounds for lean mass.

I think it's overrated. I've tried to bulk on tren multiple times and my results just explode after i drop it or sub it out with deca . Seems to hold mass gains back.

[gymfu]

Receptors don't need to be cleaned out.

I will respectfully disagree.

[gymfu]

I have tried bulking with a small amount of tren plus test of corse and was very disappointed with results. I was eating a bulk diet and people at the gym were asking me what show I'm doing!
Didn't feel like I gained any muscle.

But I may have not been using enough.

[davidtheman100]

I have tried bulking with a small amount of tren plus test of corse and was very disappointed with results. I was eating a bulk diet and people at the gym were asking me what show I'm doing!
Didn't feel like I gained any muscle.

But I may have not been using enough.

You may have not been eating enough either...Tren helps explode into lean muscle i noticed when i was sub 8% and started it i saw things within a week....But you can flatten out easier on it and you need to eat more food because of the way it increases metabolic rate...I suggested anadrol because with tren it would help volumize your muscles while they were lean and vascular and mast to help you grow lean as well....Prop is obvious as well...I still think that would be the best cycle for you

[gymfu]

At my competition weekend before last. I weighed in at 200 and have weighed 220 all last week. Gained some fat but not much.

[yeahbuddy289]

Dont have any advice to give you as you are on a completely different level than me lol Just wanted to say you're a freakin beast dude! Man... I was starting to think I was looking good lol I have a lot more work to do. haha

[gymfu]

You may have not been eating enough either...Tren helps explode into lean muscle i noticed when i was sub 8% and started it i saw things within a week....But you can flatten out easier on it and you need to eat more food because of the way it increases metabolic rate...I suggested anadrol because with tren it would help volumize your muscles while they were lean and vascular and mast to help you grow lean as well....Prop is obvious as well...I still think that would be the best cycle for you

That is completely different than anything I've tried.
I like it. I might try this. Thanks.

[gymfu]

Dont have any advice to give you as you are on a completely different level than me lol Just wanted to say you're a freakin beast dude! Man... I was starting to think I was looking good lol I have a lot more work to do. haha

Thanks. But I just lost that show

[yeahbuddy289]

Yeah but you're winning in life man!! There are so many people out there (myself included) who would kill to compete at your level.

[NACH3]

That is completely different than anything I've tried.
I like it. I might try this. Thanks.

Test Tren and drol is a hard combo to beat period! For MASS OR CUTTING! Just eat bigger Gymfu - I'm running a small amount of test e tren a drol(pulsed - I'll never not pulse another oral again - amazing)

It's by far the best combo I've done - and I've ran deca /NPP at the same time w/great results as well but nothing like the slabs o meat the tren is putting on plus the vascularity -- can't beat it - but some respond better to NPP - my other fav! Either one doesn't bloat me near as much as deca(still not bad tho) just not to my liking - just upped water intake and that worked - and I stay pretty lean - 10ish -- this is bulking too!

[NACH3]

I think it's overrated. I've tried to bulk on tren multiple times and my results just explode after i drop it or sub it out with deca. Seems to hold mass gains back.

Seems you may not be eating enough... Especially for someone whose cruising - you shouldn't lose anything - deca + NPP is another good one

[gymfu]

Yeah but you're winning in life man!! There are so many people out there (myself included) who would kill to compete at your level.

I do NOT have good genetics for bodybuilding. Stick with it and you could be better than me one day.
I've gotten where I am from years of hard work in gym and kitchen.

[gymfu]

Seems you may not be eating enough... Especially for someone whose cruising - you shouldn't lose anything - deca + NPP is another good one

I don't loose any of my gains when I get off either.

[tice1212]

I think it's overrated. I've tried to bulk on tren multiple times and my results just explode after i drop it or sub it out with deca. Seems to hold mass gains back.

Overrated?! Lmfao I think u may have got bunk gear or u think water bloat is gains which it isn't. Also telling someone to do A50's @100mg & dbol @50mg are trying to shut this guys liver down?

[NACH3]

Overrated?! Lmfao I think u may have got bunk gear or u think water bloat is gains which it isn't. Also telling someone to do A50's @100mg & dbol @50mg are trying to shut this guys liver down?

Lol - best compound I've tried yet

[TheTaxMan]

Me too, ive gained a decent mass from 200mg a week.
cant wait to try tren again with lower bodyfat and possibly a higher dose like 350-400mg next time

[212OlympiaBound]

I will stick to my opinion that tren is a cut-only drug. I have bulked with 7kCals per day on the stuff and seemed to just sweat it all off ha. It is great for holding onto mass on a cut; overrated for any other application.

[gymfu]

Overrated?! Lmfao I think u may have got bunk gear or u think water bloat is gains which it isn't. Also telling someone to do A50's @100mg & dbol @50mg are trying to shut this guys liver down?

Lol. I was thinking same thing when I read that.
Man I asked for aggressive, but 50mg of anadrol and 100mg of dbol ! Yea that might be a little too much for the liver.
Plus isn't dbol kinda useless compared to anadrol? Not sure about that, asking???

[gymfu]

I will stick to my opinion that tren is a cut-only drug. I have bulked with 7kCals per day on the stuff and seemed to just sweat it all off ha. It is great for holding onto mass on a cut; overrated for any other application.

I found the same to be true when I tried to bulk with tren in the past. But I might not have been doing it right.

[tice1212]

I found the same to be true when I tried to bulk with tren in the past. But I might not have been doing it right.

Yeah like I said before most people think that mass is the amount u weigh. Of course ur going to gain more "mass" on a test DECA cycle then u would a test tren cycle.
If ur looking to put on 30lbs of "mass" (water, fat, muscle in that order as well) then go with the test deca. Also gain a bunch of stretch marks from gaining so much weigh in a short period of time (which I truly don't want that shit is nasty. Not pleasing to the eyes at all IMO)
But I would rather gain 10-15lbs lean mass (muscle, fat, water in that order) with test and tren and look semi-cut along side of it. I hate looking g like the guy that looks like lifts but also has a moon face and belly to go with it ..

[TheTaxMan]

I have to agree with Tice
It may feel like your cutting on tren and not gaining crazy weight

But its quality weight! Ive gained 30lbs on my test and deca cycle and look swollen, ive gained half that on my tren cycle but its nearly all muscle