Anybody get emotional on Deca?

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:09 PM

Storytime: I shot a vial of Deca 250 4 days ago as a frontload. Last night I was watching a movie with my mom, and I was crying every 5 minutes. The movie wasn't even sad/emotional.

(Shooting a vial of deca then watching a movie with mom #bodybuilderLife)

Same stuff happens with NPP. Clomid doesn't really affect me emotionally, high or low estro has no emotional effect, tren doesn't get me mentally, but dammmm nandrolone does some weird stuff to my head. I've never really heard many people complain about this.

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:13 PM

oh as a side note, I also get terrible sweats on deca . I kill about 7 pillows a night after a frontload. I get worse sweats frontloading on deca than I do on 1g tren + 150mcg T3. I'm also eating low calorie, that usually reduces sweating.

**bloodchoke** · 10-01-2015, 01:19 PM

Did you check your E2 before/during?

**magic32** · 10-01-2015, 01:29 PM

Stay away from Steel Magnolias and Beaches on gear.

Nah, but you're obviously more sensitive to exogenous hormones. People respond differently to hormonal shifts, i.e. pregnant women, some experience mood swings, cravings, bloating, sweating, vivid dreams, etc., whereas others don't.

Side note: Clinically speaking, and some may find this controversial but it's no less true, there's no need to frontload long esters. Increased dosages won't augment kick-in time. If anything, perform a delayed frontload once the compound actually kick's in.

**NACH3** · 10-01-2015, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by bloodchoke

Did you check your E2 before/during?

What's your AI dosed at(2g of deca as a frontload did you frontload your test too)??

What about a DA(or waiting for mids to add or not to add)?

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:35 PM

^^^ you're probably right that it is hormone changes, in general. It does kinda taper off later in the cycle.
I totally disagree with you on that frontloading point, but we can agree to disagree.

and no, I never get a hormone panel. I check my liver and kidneys and basic stuff. I like the "ignorance is bliss" philosophy when it comes to bloodwork

**TheTaxMan** · 10-01-2015, 01:36 PM

Just watch action movies instead?

But really, get your bloods done something could be way out, or as said above you could just be really sensitive to the hormones,

this the first time you have used deca ?
You had any issues like this when not cycling or when cycling anything else? Or has it just been on this cycle?

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

What's your AI dosed at(2g of deca as a frontload did you frontload your test too)??

What about a DA(or waiting for mids to add or not to add)?

Can you explain what a DA is? I've been chilling on 375 test-e for a while, so that didn't change. Only deca was added. I don't use AI's in general

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Just watch action movies instead?

But really, get your bloods done something could be way out, or as said above you could just be really sensitive to the hormones,

this the first time you have used deca ?
You had any issues like this when not cycling or when cycling anything else? Or has it just been on this cycle?

Oh I don't cycle, I basically just pull a random vial out of my closet when I want to add more gear and start shooting. (I don't recommend this). Definitely not the first time with nandrolone , it's happened every time.

And the real killer thing is.... it was an action movie... Warrior with Tom Hardy.

**NACH3** · 10-01-2015, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound

^^^ you're probably right that it is hormone changes, in general. It does kinda taper off later in the cycle.
I totally disagree with you on that frontloading point, but we can agree to disagree.

and no, I never get a hormone panel. I check my liver and kidneys and basic stuff. I like the "ignorance is bliss" philosophy when it comes to bloodwork

Your hormones arpe in flux so it very well could be so... But are you taking an AI?? You seem to sayin some posts you don't need one on some cycles(we are different but I'll agree to disagree as well)!

AI dosage?

Just saw your post

A DA = dopamine agonist which will keep prolactin at bay if E2. Is elevated(prolactin follows elevated E2)which by not using an AI it's pretty likely w/2g of deca - how much deca are you planning to run on cycle since your frontload is done?

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Your hormones arpe in flux so it very well could be so... But are you taking an AI?? You seem to sayin some posts you don't need one on some cycles(we are different but I'll agree to disagree as well)!

AI dosage?

again, i don't take an ai unless i'm on like 2g's test, any dose dbol , or I need to dry out a bit. I never seem to have estro issues; I don't hold much fat, and my BP stays low. Nipples are fine.

**magic32** · 10-01-2015, 01:43 PM

Let's examine this, read premise, and answer the question.

If long esters take approx. 4-6 weeks to kick in, i.e. reach optimal levels in your bloodstream to effectively promote protein anabolism. How can doubling your dosage of them in the first week of use be of benefit/value?

It's a lot like speeding to a red light. You're getting more speed/compound, but it's not going to get you to your destination/anabolism any quicker.

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Your hormones arpe in flux so it very well could be so... But are you taking an AI?? You seem to sayin some posts you don't need one on some cycles(we are different but I'll agree to disagree as well)!

AI dosage?

Just saw your post

A DA = dopamine agonist which will keep prolactin at bay if E2. Is elevated(prolactin follows elevated E2)which by not using an AI it's pretty likely w/2g of deca - how much deca are you planning to run on cycle since your frontload is done?

Oh i have tried prami before. Does that count? Didn't seem to do a whole lot.

I'm not sure how much i'll stay at. My gear is underdosed so I'll probably shoot 4-5 mL a week or something.

**NACH3** · 10-01-2015, 01:44 PM

No AI could very well be the problem - low bf or not - and just b/c nips are gtg doesn't mean your estro isn't high... I'd say emotional probs could be an early sign of elevated estro

Yes prami is a DA - but needs to be taken ed for it to work(caber is rendered useless w/codeine based drugs) just FYI lol

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

Let's examine this, read premise, and answer the question.

If long esters take approx. 4-6 weeks to kick in, i.e. reach optimal levels in your bloodstream to effectively promote protein anabolism. How can doubling your dosage of them in the first week of use be of benefit/value?

well from one shot the levels peak in about 3 days from Deca . Test-e is similar (which is why you get bloods two days after a shot). The 4-6 weeks is just about overlapping half lives which ramp up blood levels.

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

No AI could very well be the problem - low bf or not - and just b/c nips are gtg doesn't mean your estro isn't high...

But deca can't convert to estro at all. ever. And the test dose stayed the same

**NACH3** · 10-01-2015, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound

But deca can't convert to estro at all. ever. And the test dose stayed the same

Yes it does at 20% the rate of test - it does aromatize slightly not like tren where it doesn't aromatize yet it still binds to the ER...

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-01-2015, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Yes it does at 20% the rate of test - it does aromatize slightly not like tren where it doesn't aromatize yet it still binds to the ER...

oh good to know. some of my friends are adamant that it can't aromatize. maybe i will letro it up tonight

**magic32** · 10-01-2015, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound

well from one shot the levels peak in about 3 days from Deca. Test-e is similar (which is why you get bloods two days after a shot). The 4-6 weeks is just about overlapping half lives which ramp up blood levels.

This is true but higher levels don't benefit you when the ester is long, because anabolism arrives at a longer time. It's a lot like speeding to a red light. You're getting more speed/compound, but it's not going to get you to your destination/anabolism any quicker because red lights/long esters work based on time intervals.

Short ester front loading is great, but long is just wasteful. Gotta run.

**NACH3** · 10-01-2015, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound

oh good to know. some of my friends are adamant that it can't aromatize. maybe i will letro it up tonight

Idk why so many think it doesn't aromatize(it's nothing like test but it does) I've read on here people claiming the same thing - a quick google search will tell you this -

Letro - b/c of high doses or gyno flare up(preventing one)..

**NACH3** · 10-01-2015, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by magic32

This is true but higher levels don't benefit you when the ester is long, because anabolism arrives at a longer time. It's a lot like speeding to a red light. You're getting more speed/compound, but it's not going to get you to your destination/anabolism any quicker because red lights/long esters work based on time intervals.

Short ester front loading is grheat, but long is just wasteful. Gotta run.

With SBC then why can people use long esters too

**bermich** · 10-02-2015, 01:12 AM

Good luck with your POST THERAPY. You think youre emotional now......Youre more than likely gonna be a raving bitch 8 weeks after your cycle. The littlest shit is gonna throw you into fit.

**magic32** · 10-02-2015, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

With SBC then why can people use long esters too

I'm not familiar with acronym. What's SBC?

**NACH3** · 10-02-2015, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

I'm not familiar with acronym. What's SBC?

Short Burst cycling...
Thx

**jimmyinkedup** · 10-02-2015, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

I'm not familiar with acronym. What's SBC?

I think Short Burt Cycles

**magic32** · 10-02-2015, 07:21 AM

Gotcha!
However, wise bb'ers don't select long esters for such cycling because they know this limitation, unless it exceeds 4 weeks, say 6 or 8 so that benefit can be gleaned, and even then it's usually in a standard hybrid compound like Sust or Omna, or one created by the user with higher dosages of shorts mixed with longs. Nach, you know both types of esters have pros and cons, and the key is to utilize them in ways that play to their strengths and downplay their weaknesses. Thus, using longs for SBCs is simply unwise, except for combos and if you want the cycle benefits to burn out slower.

**NACH3** · 10-02-2015, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by magic32

Gotcha!
However, wise bb'ers don't select long esters for such cycling because they know this limitation, unless it exceeds 4 weeks, say 6 or 8 so that benefit can be gleaned, and even then it's usually in a standard hybrid compound like Sust or Omna, or one created by the user with higher dosages of shorts mixed with longs. Nach, you know both types of esters have pros and cons, and the key is to utilize them in ways that play to their strengths and downplay their weaknesses. Thus, using longs for SBCs is simply unwise, except for combos and if you want the cycle benefits to burn out slower.

Well I'll have to agree and disagree - I've read several people(vets BBers(Pros Mr O's) have done SBCing w/long esters b/c the doses are THAT much higher for shorter periods(4-6wks) or until any sides start to creep they drop the compounds - as it would be defeating the whole purpose of a SBC...

However, im a big fan of shorter esters but again using those amounts you'd have to pin multiple times a day using either long/or short acting esters - it's IMHO up to how one handles these esters - some prefer using long some short - I guess it's all individual just like everything ?!

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-02-2015, 12:01 PM

Update started crying at work 20 seconds into this video. One of the cute, fuzzy honeybees pulls his dying comrade back into the hive in the middle of a big bad wasp attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ1eAM8CChc

**NACH3** · 10-02-2015, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound

Update started crying at work 20 seconds into this video. One of the cute, fuzzy honeybees pulls his dying comrade back into the hive in the middle of a big bad wasp attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ1eAM8CChc

You need an AI!!

**clarky.** · 10-02-2015, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

You need an AI!!

Your not getting through nach just forget it you tried.

**NACH3** · 10-02-2015, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by clarky.

Your not getting through nach just forget it you tried.

I see

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-02-2015, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

I see

I started .5mL letro (I think that's 1.25mig) last night, good sir

Edit: Even took some prami for the heck of it. (not sure how much)

**clarky.** · 10-02-2015, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound

I started .5mL letro (I think that's 1.25mig) last night, good sir

Edit: Even took some prami for the heck of it. (not sure how much)

**btpolak** · 10-02-2015, 03:33 PM

Dude, just test and tbol had me emotional, even though I ran adex and levels were good. No bullshit, I was watching the first transformers movie and wanted to cry like a girl when jazz gets ripped in half...they're computer generated robots...wtf? After the first few weeks it was no longer an issue.

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-02-2015, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by btpolak

Dude, just test and tbol had me emotional, even though I ran adex and levels were good. No bullshit, I was watching the first transformers movie and wanted to cry like a girl when jazz gets ripped in half...their computer generated robots...wtf? After the first few weeks it was no longer an issue.

You pretty much summed it up ha! For some reason, it seems that just nandrolone has this effect on me.

**NACH3** · 10-02-2015, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by 212OlympiaBound

I started .5mL letro (I think that's 1.25mig) last night, good sir

Edit: Even took some prami for the heck of it. (not sure how much)

That was a good one

I hope it helps you then

**BulldogMatt** · 10-02-2015, 07:19 PM

Jees, I always run nolva on cycle on rather safe than sorry basis, and a bit of aromosin in order to prevent this sheit.
Keep us posted it's fun to read!

**212OlympiaBound** · 10-06-2015, 01:10 PM

ya'll fixed me up. Thank you. It probably was a bit estro related. I still believe the sudden influx of hormones in general could have been messing with me.

I'm no longer eating ice cream out of the gallon tub while bawling my eyes out watching Titanic