Lean bulk or bulk than cut cycles? Which one!?

[Drigo]

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Question- is it better to go on a bulk cycle than a cut cycle?

Or

Do a lean bulk cycle?

Reasons of your choice and how long would you run the cycles?

[TheTaxMan]

From what I gather its always bulk then cut

However, in order to answer your question more specificaly, I think that would depend on ones current stats and goals?

For example;
If you have a low body fat of say 10% and your happy with that bodyfat and are looking to gain a bit more size then id go for a lean bulk.

If you can post your stats, goals, cycle and training history then you will get a better response suited to your needs.

[Drigo]

From what I gather its always bulk then cut

However, in order to answer your question more specificaly, I think that would depend on ones current stats and goals?

For example;
If you have a low body fat of say 10% and your happy with that bodyfat and are looking to gain a bit more size then id go for a lean bulk.

If you can post your stats, goals, cycle and training history then you will get a better response suited to your needs.

My goal is to add a bit of size first. I started off at around 172lbs and I'm currently at 182lbs. 5th week into my cycle of Test E @ 500mg twice a week. Dianabol suspension @ 50mg every day (half in the morning, half before my workout).

I've been training for around 6 years now.

[TheTaxMan]

Id bulk until your happy with your mass then cut.
While bulking make sure your diet is clean and your doing cardio, it will make the cutting process a lot easier.

[NACH3]

Id bulk until your happy with your mass then cut.
While bulking make sure your diet is clean and your doing cardio, it will make the cutting process a lot easier.

I agree... Pick one or the other - recouping is hard to do - but if at a lower bf and you lean bulk - you should be able to bring down your bf and add quality LBM - but your diet will dictate this regardless

[Drigo]

I agree... Pick one or the other - recouping is hard to do - but if at a lower bf and you lean bulk - you should be able to bring down your bf and add quality LBM - but your diet will dictate this regardless

how long would I run a bulk cycle then a cutting cycle? and would I do bulk-pct-cut-pct or... bulk-cut-pct.

[Drigo]

Id bulk until your happy with your mass then cut.
While bulking make sure your diet is clean and your doing cardio, it will make the cutting process a lot easier.

Diet is 50g of protein with 25g of carbs each meal 6 times a day. it was at 50g carbs but I was getting really bloated and gaining fat. Diet is at 30-45 mins 3 times per week.

[NACH3]

how long would I run a bulk cycle then a cutting cycle? and would I do bulk-pct-cut-pct or... bulk-cut-pct.

Don't ever cut during pct - your test is nil and you need to eat just as big as you were on cycle to maintain your new gains(reasses your TDEE as you'll have gained weight meaning more cals t maintain)

You don't need to run a cut cycle to cut either - you can cut on any compound barring your nutrition is on point - pick one or the other(bulk or cut) I see no point in cutting unless you've reached your full potential in mass gains - then harden up and dry out - unless your competing IMHO

Regardless your nutrition will dictate your gains whether it's a cut or bulk - if lean bulking up your cardio to suit your goals

[NACH3]

Post your stats
Age weight height bf% -- cycle experience

[Drigo]

Don't ever cut during pct - your test is nil and you need to eat just as big as you were on cycle to maintain your new gains(reasses your TDEE as you'll have gained weight meaning more cals t maintain)

You don't need to run a cut cycle to cut either - you can cut on any compound barring your nutrition is on point - pick one or the other(bulk or cut) I see no point in cutting unless you've reached your full potential in mass gains - then harden up and dry out - unless your competing IMHO

Regardless your nutrition will dictate your gains whether it's a cut or bulk - if lean bulking up your cardio to suit your goals

Nach3 what I meant to say is. do I do a full bulk cycle follow it up by my pct and then start a cut cyle after PCT or should I bulk for a period of time then cut out a compound or switch compounds then follow it up by PCT.

[Drigo]

Post your stats
Age weight height bf% -- cycle experience

Age: 25
Weight: 188lbs
Height: 6'0
Bf%- Roughly around 17% right now.

Cycle Experience: this will be my 2nd cycle. like I said Running
Test-E- 500mg per week (thinking of bumping up to 750mg per week due to not seeing results)
D-bol @ 50mg each day
ADEX- .25 each day

[TheTaxMan]

I would leave your doseage to 500mg a week

Your at week 5 of test e, be patient, your results will start showing soon, it takes 5-6 weeks for test e to begin to get going never mind results

[Drigo]

I would leave your doseage to 500mg a week

Your at week 5 of test e, be patient, your results will start showing soon, it takes 5-6 weeks for test e to begin to get going never mind results

I was under the impression that it was after shot 6 that it kicks in. thanks for the information!

[TheTaxMan]

It will be released in your body now, but for actual gains etc its a little to early.

Has your libido increased at all?

[Drigo]

It will be released in your body now, but for actual gains etc its a little to early.

Has your libido increased at all?

somewhat... lol I've been getting more "ups" than I would regularly.

[musclestack]

Diet is 50g of protein with 25g of carbs each meal 6 times a day. it was at 50g carbs but I was getting really bloated and gaining fat. Diet is at 30-45 mins 3 times per week.

So, you're only eating 150 grams of carbs per day on a lean bulk diet? What are your fats (dietary) at? Are you sure you weren't just putting on water weight and not fat? I wouldn't expect big results in terms of mass with that kind of diet. Also, at 6 feet, 188 lbs, and 17% body fat, I would venture to say that you need to do some research/work in the diet department. Not trying to be a dick, just my opinion.

[TheTaxMan]

I agree with musclestack, you should probably be much heavier than 188lbs at your second cycle at 6ft, eat more buddy

[Drigo]

So, you're only eating 150 grams of carbs per day on a lean bulk diet? What are your fats (dietary) at? Are you sure you weren't just putting on water weight and not fat? I wouldn't expect big results in terms of mass with that kind of diet. Also, at 6 feet, 188 lbs, and 17% body fat, I would venture to say that you need to do some research/work in the diet department. Not trying to be a dick, just my opinion.

I was at 300g of carbs but I was gaining either Fat or Water weight fast. to the point where I couldn't fit into my jeans at all anymore.

[TheTaxMan]

That will probably be the Dbol brother
You running an AI?

[Drigo]

That will probably be the Dbol brother
You running an AI?

Arimidex every day.

[TheTaxMan]

At what doseage?

[Drigo]

At what doseage?

.5 mg each day

[TheTaxMan]

Far too much mate
Too much arimidex will hinder your gains!

0.25mg every other day is what you should start on, then when you get mid cycle bloodwork done adjust if needed.

[Drigo]

Far too much mate
Too much arimidex will hinder your gains!

0.25mg every other day is what you should start on, then when you get mid cycle bloodwork done adjust if needed.

the tax man. they are capsules. should I split them in half?

[TheTaxMan]

My arimidex come in 1mg pills i bite them in half then in quaters.

I dont know how you would split capsuals up

Are they 0.5mg caps?
I wonder if you could take 0.5 every 3 days?

Hopefuly a more knoweldgeable member can chip in on this!

[Drigo]

My arimidex come in 1mg pills i bite them in half then in quaters.

I dont know how you would split capsuals up

Are they 0.5mg caps?
I wonder if you could take 0.5 every 3 days?



Hopefuly a more knoweldgeable member can chip in on this!

hmmm.... idk...

[TheTaxMan]

If you dont know the strength of your arimidex capsuals, how do you know your taking 0.5mg everyday?

[musclestack]

I was at 300g of carbs but I was gaining either Fat or Water weight fast. to the point where I couldn't fit into my jeans at all anymore.

LOL I always feel great when I can't fit into my clothes anymore! It's doubtful that you gained that much fat in such a short time, especially at only 300 grams of carbs per day. This is undoubtedly due to water weight as a result of the dbol and possibly not keeping estrogen in control. Adjust your AI accordingly but, if I were you, I would increase your calories and make the most out of your lean bulk. If you DO happen to put on a bit of fat, you can always cut later after PCT.

[Drigo]

If you dont know the strength of your arimidex capsuals, how do you know your taking 0.5mg everyday?

Source has them at 0.5mg caps.

I was saying about the 0.5 every 3 days or about splitting them up.

also quick question. have you even seen adex in liquid form?

[Drigo]

LOL I always feel great when I can't fit into my clothes anymore! It's doubtful that you gained that much fat in such a short time, especially at only 300 grams of carbs per day. This is undoubtedly due to water weight as a result of the dbol and possibly not keeping estrogen in control. Adjust your AI accordingly but, if I were you, I would increase your calories and make the most out of your lean bulk. If you DO happen to put on a bit of fat, you can always cut later after PCT.

and as far as estrogen control? how would I make that possible? up my adex?

[TheTaxMan]

You need bloodwork to know what your estoegen/e2 is like.

I wouldnt be upping your adex dose. Your already taking 0.5 a day.

You could open the caps and get some digital scales and weigh it and split it in half, might be a bit of a mess on though.

Yes ive heard of liquid arimidex , but my source doesnt sell it nor have i seen or used it before.

[Drigo]

You need bloodwork to know what your estoegen/e2 is like.

I wouldnt be upping your adex dose. Your already taking 0.5 a day.

You could open the caps and get some digital scales and weigh it and split it in half, might be a bit of a mess on though.

Yes ive heard of liquid arimidex, but my source doesnt sell it nor have i seen or used it before.

I think I will probably just split in in half somehow.... and I have a bottle but never used it. got pills (capsules instead)

[TheTaxMan]

I wonder if you can split the powder in half and mix it in a small cup of water stir it and drink it.

If anything and your stuck take 0.5mg every other day
But realy you should be on 0.25 every other day

0.5 every day is way too much

[musclestack]

Agree with Tax. Don't up your Adex; you're already taking quite a bit. You can take mid-cycle bloods next week (end of week 6) to see where your E2 is. The water weight probably came from the dbol . I take an AI with all of my cycles, but I still always hold a bit of water, and I don't even take oral kick starts! I still stand by my advice to increase your calories. Make the most of the cycle. If your E2 comes back within an acceptable range, then you have nothing to worry about. The water weight will fall off once you drop the dbol.

[Drigo]

Agree with Tax. Don't up your Adex; you're already taking quite a bit. You can take mid-cycle bloods next week (end of week 6) to see where your E2 is. The water weight probably came from the dbol. I take an AI with all of my cycles, but I still always hold a bit of water, and I don't even take oral kick starts! I still stand by my advice to increase your calories. Make the most of the cycle. If your E2 comes back within an acceptable range, then you have nothing to worry about. The water weight will fall off once you drop the dbol.

AWESOME. we are getting bloodwork done at our job for our benefits enrollment. should I skip it to 0.5 EOD then?

[TheTaxMan]

If your bloods are just round the corner, stick to 0.5 eod and post your blood results on here.

[Drigo]

If your bloods are just round the corner, stick to 0.5 eod and post your blood results on here.

I was just looking at the flyer and this is what there testing for..
Total cholesterol
hdl
ldl
triglcerides
fasting glucost
bp
and then take your measurements
height
weight
waist cur
and bmi

[TheTaxMan]

Im no good with bloodwork but i dont think they will be much relevant to your cycle/steroid use .

Need your test levels, estrogen levels took

[Drigo]

Ok. so I'm just going to go to a doctor and get bloodwork done.

[pitweiler]

Ok. so I'm just going to go to a doctor and get bloodwork done.

I'd go to one of those private labs to do BW. If you go to your doc while your on cycle. He will see that your test levels are elevated and he will know what's up