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I'm curious about how many people on this forum are on steroids (not TRT) that are prescribed and supervised by a physician, for non medically related reasons. Does this happen? Is it common? I'd have to imagine top athletes who use would have a clinic like Balco helping them but I'm curious if this happens among average gym Joes.
Nope.
Really? No shady pill-mill style clinics? I guess prescribing steroids is a more complicated process than writing a script for Vicodin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonaparte
Yeah. Less demand, more complexity (pill heads aren't picky and will buy a bunch of whatever they can get), far more prescribing restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aux
I wish mate.
No. We just hoard the product and then use it.
It is illegal in the USA for a doctor to prescribe AAS for athletic gain or performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aux
TRT is a totally different story,,but sincerely could be used as a 'loop hole' for legal access.
I would imagine that a lot of people who use this strategy have multiple prescribers? Although with digital medical records this would be more complex to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
Im not sure about that. I mean, I only have one, but I went several years using UGL and just kept refilling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aux
There is nothing on record about people who use it for nonmedical reasons. Doctors dont prescribe them unless you have some deficiency and the law outlaws them. Is that what youre asking or is this a sneaky way of asking for a source? Lol
@Austinite, out of interest what do they prescribe for women? I thought it was just males getting Test replacement
Women get estradiol and progesterone pills from their teen years for reasons as litlle as acne control.
(Not complaining just stating)
Lol. That's just what they tell everyone so that they can advertise the fact that they're good to go, draw attention to their nice skin, and not seem like whores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.BB
A part of me was hoping there was an underground group of Doctors who fought for an individuals right to manage what they put in their own bodies. Guess not then again if my licence was on the line I dono if i'd **** with it either. Thanks for the info guys.
I'm sure they exist and are sometimes called to as "Authors" by individuals involved with trafficking of illegal pharmaceutical substances however this is not very common among people who are looking for P.E.D's because there is not the same amount of money involved for them.
However, if you ever watch that YouTube show "Ricks Cornor" (He was a gold era bodybuilder/wrestler) he said it was very common for that doctors to prescribe them for performance reasons back 1970's-1980's. Man, that would be nice.
The DEA has begun taken a very active role in policing physicians, as opposed to the 70s-90s when they could do basically whatever they wanted.
Most athletes are not using the huge ass quantities that most bodybuilders use so its not as big an issue as it would seem, also many use Test claiming poor natural supply which is often true due to long term usage and no PCT.
As far as exceeding normal TRT limits there is a lot of room in TRT for excessive dosing, many doctors have prescribed 200-400mg of test a week out of pure ignorance. Although this is less of a problem these days.
Another way to get a large dosage of pharma gear is to use several guinea pigs to go to a doc and get TRT and use their gear.
This is a pretty common way for athletes to obtain HGH, a go between pays a dozen HIV/AIDS patients to obtain low dose HGH paying each X amount then he multiplies the price he paid by ten and sells to the athlete who has no problem paying 10 times the over the counter price of pharma grade HGH. Of course most these addict/HIV patients are not paying for their own test Joe citizen you and I are picking up the tab....Damnitt!!
So interesting. I'm always fascinated by how people learn to work the system. Although I don't like the thought that my health insurance premiums are going up so that some athlete can get his HGH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Far from massive
I see an endocrinologist on a pretty regular basis and he doesn't mind filling my test 300mg per week. I've always had pituitary issues as well as low test to justify the script. He also has years of blood work and patient history on me. I simply hoard the vials until I've collected enough of it and then go on cycle. My PCT I obtain on my own.
I've never stacked with anything else and I don't know that I ever will. I just enjoy feeling good with extra test in my system.
The normal route for most people seems to be the black market but it can be obtained legally. You just have to have a medical necessity to justify the doc prescribing it to you as treatment.
Hope that helps you. Good luck!
You guys in the US seem lucky man
I just finished watching this vid on youtube of Dave P get 400 test 200 deca weekly from his doctor, Plus AI, HCG, DHT medication & GH all delivered within 2 weeks..
Why cant we have doctors like this around the world that are happy to supply TRT if needed.
The link is below & great to watch if you have time its real interesting, But he could be partners with them too. who knows lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKZy-y674_E
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Originally Posted by here2grow
They are also probably the same doctors who monitored him as a pro and prescribed him gear when he was a pro too, most likely that video is also set up for the clip, talked about beforehand then filmed.
I wouldn't say that we are necessarily better off in the United States when it comes to obtaining gear. Seems like there are a lot more hoops to jump through when compared to other countries because of the FDA, DEA, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by here2grow
From what I gather from friends and others online, it's simply difficult everywhere. Some things are easier in some places and harder in others. Canada has an easier time than the US for black market purchases but a harder time obtaining prescriptions because of socialized medicine.
I think you need to just find the right kind of Doctor that specializes in hormone replacement. I work with an endocrine specialist in my home town. He's been a client of mine and a family friend for 10 years. I would suggest you try to find a specialist in your area who deals primarily with hormone replacement. As I'm sure you know, 99.9% of specialists will not support AAS use above the recommended dosage levels. So don't expect to get a scripts for 600mg of test per week haha.
You'll also need to have a medical condition to justify a prescription like test e or test cyp. Even if your blood results come back with low test levels, the doctor may try to prescribe a gel or have you take Clomid for 6 months to raise your test levels. They prescribe an intramuscular injection regiment only after they've exhausted other treatment options since it's considered a last resort and more on the extreme side.
I have chronic low test, low LH, insulin resistance, low pituitary function, and generally just a crappy endocrine system. I know that makes me sound like I'm dying haha but I'm really in great health. I'm 30 years old and will most likely be on a TRT plan until I kick the bucket. I can't have the body I want, normal energy levels, or feel mentally awake without the hormones my body is lacking.
Hopefully that gives you more insight into how the doctor script side of things works.
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Originally Posted by R8junkie
Why would you be doing any form of pct if you're on TRT? What are you referring to?
Sorry I should have clarified. I was describing my own personal treatment journey in my previous post. Others may have a different experience. My doctor had me start with a testosterone gel first for 90 days which didn't work. Then he had me try Clomid for 6 months after that to see if that would normalize my pituitary function or kick start it to begin producing more testosterone naturally. Since my natural LH levels were low, he advised me to take Clomid to stimulate my pituitary gland to produce more LH and in turn cause the Leydig cells in my testis to produce more testosterone. He's had success with other patients with my similar condition so we tried it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
Since I have a medical laboratory science background, the doctor and I work pretty well together when it comes to my treatment. I'm not a doctor or nearly as specialized as he is but since we had exhausted all of the more conservative approaches, he felt good about prescribing an intramuscular injection of testosterone and an AI.
So to answer your question, I am not taking Clomid now since I've been on testosterone injections. Only as a PCT after being on cycle :)