1g of test e for the second cycle?

[aurelian87]

I am going to finish my first one that is 500 mg test e, in two weeks (14 weeks total) . I have gained 10 kg from 82 kg to 92 kg with no side effects. I am enjoying testosterone and have always felt that it isn't enough and wanted more, and I really want to up the dose for the next one. Are there any dangers going that high 14 or 16 weeks cycle, for a 28 y old guy with two years of training?
Injections i did only in quads with a 22g 1.5 inch which worked perfectly, will I be able to do again only quads with 2cc per shot?

[Ashop]

I am going to finish my first one that is 500 mg test e, in two weeks (14 weeks total) . I have gained 10 kg from 82 kg to 92 kg with no side effects. I am enjoying testosterone and have always felt that it isn't enough and wanted more, and I really want to up the dose for the next one. Are there any dangers going that high 14 or 16 weeks cycle, for a 28 y old guy with two years of training?
Injections i did only in quads with a 22g 1.5 inch which worked perfectly, will I be able to do again only quads with 2cc per shot?

That's a big cycle for your 2nd one. At least dosage wise. I think if your having success with the 500mg wk,,,why change it?
I always suggest the least amount you can for the results your trying to obtain.

[TheTaxMan]

I agree with ALIN, you dont need to double your dose everytime you cycle.

Completley different but think of it this way, if you got drunk on 8 beers, you dont need to drink 16 beers the weekend after to get the same effect

Run another 500mg test cycle after serving the correct length of time off time on + pct = time off (in your case 20 weeks off)

[Bodacious]

That's a big cycle for your 2nd one. At least dosage wise. I think if your having success with the 500mg wk,,,why change it?
I always suggest the least amount you can for the results your trying to obtain.

Nailed it. Why would you? If it's going good done mess it up.

[mark woods]

Yea it's a decent jump alri...I'd maybe add an oral kicker or another injectable and not go over 1g...good luck

[Mr.BB]

Ppl think that increasing dosage will increase gains which is not true.

The only increase will be in side effects, thats for sure!

[qscgugcsq]

Ppl think that increasing dosage will increase gains which is not true.

The only increase will be in side effects, thats for sure!

Increasing dose will always increase potentiel gains.
ALWAYS

However using twice more wont gives twice the results. There is a diminish returns were more dont give much(even if it gives more).
Side will greatly increase so side wise using more isnt always a good choice.

But I think 1g test can be easely managed...

[kelkel]

But I think 1g test can be easely managed...

It can, but it's just not necessary in his shoes.

[Back In Black]

It can, but it's just not necessary in his shoes.

Quite right.

What about the third cycle, 1.5g or double again?

What has been so wrong with this first cycle that you feel the need to double the dose? By your account you gained 10kg so far. For sure you will lose some of that during and post PCT but just run the same again or up by 10-20%.

[clarky.]

That's what i was just going to say bib. What's he going to do on his 3rd 4th 5th cycle 2g 3 g ect ect silly you need food that is what you increase as you grow then once gains slow with the new tdee's then you should add a bit more test.
More is not always better in this game.

[TheTaxMan]

Great advice for you to consider
-
Ive just finished 4th cycle and never went above 500mg test yet, infact
My most recent cycle only had 250mg test.

Try to keep growing on the lowest amount of aas for as long as you can, then increase

[qscgugcsq]

Ok whats the big difference between running 1 000mg test as second cycle.
Compare to 500test 400 deca with dbol kick start.

Actually I believe 1g test is safer than deca.

Or doing 600mg test with 50mg var daily.(350mg of aas weekly)

Still pretty damn close to 1g.

Test is well tolerated by almost every man.

Gives great gains and gains feeling of wellbeing.
Is one of the safest if managed well.
And as I said, fairly easy to manage...

So I dont see all the hype about 1g as second cycle...

Plus, test is one of the cheapest. So bang for you buck it is pretty damn efficient.

Plus receptor upregulate so using lots of gear for a prolonged period makes us juste more responsive to steroids .
So using more will help in the long run keeping gains.

And recovery wise, the amount used have no impact on recovery Post cycle. the time ON is what has and impact.

Therefore 1g test-e as a second cycle isnt exagerated by any means...

[NACH3]

Well for one deca only aromatizes at 20% the rate of test, therefore being easier to control E2 - not w/d-Bol tho... I'm not a fan of people running d-Bol on a second cycle either as its s heavy aromatizer

1g will come w/more sides that's a fact... But I agree that its recovery time may be better(again individual)

Why do you think doubling your test dose on a second cycle is OK? I'm lost on this

Ok whats the big difference between running 1 000mg test as second cycle.
Compare to 500test 400 deca with dbol kick start.

Actually I believe 1g test is safer than deca.

Or doing 600mg test with 50mg var daily.(350mg of aas weekly)

Still pretty damn close to 1g.

Test is well tolerated by almost every man.

Gives great gains and gains feeling of wellbeing.
Is one of the safest if managed well.
And as I said, fairly easy to manage...

So I dont see all the hype about 1g as second cycle...

Plus, test is one of the cheapest. So bang for you buck it is pretty damn efficient.

Plus receptor upregulate so using lots of gear for a prolonged period makes us juste more responsive to steroids .
So using more will help in the long run keeping gains.

And recovery wise, the amount used have no impact on recovery Post cycle. the time ON is what has and impact.

Therefore 1g test-e as a second cycle isnt exagerated by any means...

[qscgugcsq]

Well for one deca only aromatizes at 20% the rate of test, therefore being easier to control E2 - not w/d-Bol tho... I'm not a fan of people running d-Bol on a second cycle either as its s heavy aromatizer

1g will come w/more sides that's a fact... But I agree that its recovery time may be better(again individual)

Why do you think doubling your test dose on a second cycle is OK? I'm lost on this

The diminish returns on doubling the dose is obvious ill never argue that.
And yes the side will be greater.

but mass gain also have diminish returns.
The bigger you get the harder it is.

If we would all be minimalist in our dose pretty much none of us would ever go over 500mg test-e. Lets be honest most of us could have reached/maintain our physics with 500mg.
But it would have taken years of non stop use and extreme consistency.

The reason why we use steroids is to surpass our limits and accelerate the gains.

500mg test will yield gain with about anyone... but it wilp be slow gain.

If someone want to gains subtancial amount at an appreaciable rate. Dose needs to be increased.
So using 500mg per week again is very unefficient.

And as he said he saw no side at 500mg.
So 1000 shouldnt cause any extreme side effect. you keep.seeing this as doubling the dose. But he just add 500mg. Its the equivalent to adding another compound.
Which few will oppose to the idea to add 500mg deca.
But adding test suddently it becomes exagerated...
Wtf...

Deca comes with other side that test doesnt have. Even if it aromatise less.

Deca **** the DHT/estradiol ratio making gyno possible even if your E2 is under control...
Damn I developped gyno at 100mg test per week with E2 too low to be measured by BW and low prolactine just because I naturally have low DHT... and everytime I use nandrolone even small dose my gyno flare up badly...

Nandrolone comes with way more sides than test.

Id rather see him.on 1g test than on 500mg test/deca

[TheTaxMan]

Nobody has suggested he run deca for his second cycle?

Just saying

[qscgugcsq]

Nobody has suggested he run deca for his second cycle?

Just saying

But it is fairly common

[NACH3]

Run another test cycle at maybe 550-600 max Id repeat you last tbh - 10kg is grear

[NACH3]

But it is fairly common

I didn't run nandrolone till my 4th or 3rd

[TheTaxMan]

But it is fairly common

True. Its common for a lot of things but not always the best idea

Theres a good chance he would be fine on a gram of test.

The main point people are advising him is if hes growing great on 500mg then thats clearly all he needs at the moment, maybe a slight increase to 650mg but its unnecessary to double.

Some people use 400mg deca for their first deca cycle, no need to go 800mg deca on the next deca cycle

Same with tren , 300/350mg some people use on their first tren cycle, no need to go to 700mg on a second tren cycle.

And so on...

[kelkel]

Ok whats the big difference between running 1 000mg test as second cycle.
Compare to 500test 400 deca with dbol kick start.

Actually I believe 1g test is safer than deca.

Or doing 600mg test with 50mg var daily.(350mg of aas weekly)

Still pretty damn close to 1g.

Test is well tolerated by almost every man.

Gives great gains and gains feeling of wellbeing.
Is one of the safest if managed well.
And as I said, fairly easy to manage...

So I dont see all the hype about 1g as second cycle...

Plus, test is one of the cheapest. So bang for you buck it is pretty damn efficient.

Plus receptor upregulate so using lots of gear for a prolonged period makes us juste more responsive to steroids .
So using more will help in the long run keeping gains.

And recovery wise, the amount used have no impact on recovery Post cycle. the time ON is what has and impact.

Therefore 1g test-e as a second cycle isnt exagerated by any means...

I don't disagree with anything you said above. I'm only saying that he simply doesn't need it at this point and should focus on nutrition and training as this is where most fail. And what do most do when this aspect fails, take more AAS. And you know when he "saw no sides" he was only referring to gyno. It's doubtful there's any BW to actually back it up.

Always enjoy your perspective.

[AR's King Silabolin]

500 mg deca and 500 g test are a million times more anabolic than 1gt. Just saying....

[qscgugcsq]

500 mg deca and 500 g test are a million times more anabolic than 1gt. Just saying....

So you are saying that 500mg test/deca is yet more overkill than 1g test.
And as I said above it come with more potential sides.

So... Ok... XD

Anyway.

My point was just thats 1g is not exagerated as a second cycle.
Big second cycle agreed but I think there is just too much negativity related to it.

I would see more. 500mg first 700mg second 1g third. But hey... if someone want to skip the ramp up I dont think it is THAT dramatic.

Some idea are WAY WORST and most dont flinch...
Just because it goes over the mental barrier of the Gram of aas. It seems huge when in reality.

Most intermediate user rarely go under 1g of combined aas...

[Back In Black]

Nobody has suggested he run deca for his second cycle?

Just saying

Exactly.

But it is fairly common

But nobody has mentioned this other than you.

[NACH3]

Exactly.



But nobody has mentioned this other than you.

As mentioned OP - if your gaining 10kg on 500mg/wk why change anything except dialing in your diet and training even moreso... Eat bigger and train harder... Just my .02

[TheTaxMan]

I get what your say qscg

But to the OP;

1) Your going to double your bill when ordering your juice
2) Potentially increase negative sides and add more stress to the body
3) Build up immunity to test

- i know buying test doesnt really break the bank but for those 3 reasons alone id stick to what your doing, and what your doing is working

[qscgugcsq]

I get what your say qscg

But to the OP;

1) Your going to double your bill when ordering your juice
2) Potentially increase negative sides and add more stress to the body
3) Build up immunity to test

- i know buying test doesnt really break the bank but for those 3 reasons alone id stick to what your doing, and what your doing is working

Immunity is a myth its the total opposite...
I surprised thst there is again people thinking it is true...

But yea the two first are right.

[TheTaxMan]

Wether myth or not,
Why do we plateau at the end of cycles if we arent building immunity?

[NACH3]

Wether myth or not,
Why do we plateau at the end of cycles if we arent building immunity?

B/c your growth window closed...

Running a longer cycle will not equal more gains... What happens is b4 your cycle starts - if the body is primed correctly your opening up a growth window(more anabolic as your body is like a dried up sponge at this point)... It doesn't necessarily mean it will stay open for 12-16wks - hence why sometimes a shorter cycle will yield better results(especially w/prop and short esters)... Just my experience thus far...

[qscgugcsq]

Wether myth or not,
Why do we plateau at the end of cycles if we arent building immunity?

https://youtu.be/ld2GDknJhhM
... listen to this

[TheTaxMan]

Ok then if immunity is a myth why cant we just run 500mg test cycles for life, why do people NEED 2g of test a week? Is it just once you hit a certain weight/size you need more?

[qscgugcsq]

Ok then if immunity is a myth why cant we just run 500mg test cycles for life, why do people NEED 2g of test a week? Is it just once you hit a certain weight/size you need more?

The same reason why the newb gain doesnt last forever...

The bigger you are the harder it is to gain...