HCG on cycle caused secondary hypogonadism

**aesthetics_sexy** · 10-31-2015, 01:15 PM

Hello everyone. I have come across a case of a person who used hcg during one of his cycles at low doses 250-350 iu 2 times per week. He did a proper pct and a few months after pct his LH level came out very low. In all his previous cycles he did hcg blast before pct and recovered absolutely fine. This is exactly what happened with me. I completed Test E and dbol cycle and did hcg blast before pct (nolva + clomid) and recovered pretty fast. In my second cycle I took test e , boldenone , winny and used hcg on cycle (for 10 weeks) at 350 iu twice per week. I did the same pct of nolva + clomid like i did in my previous cycle but couldn't recover. 2.5 months after pct i got some blood work done and my LH level came out 2.79 (ref range 1.50-9.30) and TT 510.33 (ref range 241.00-827.00). I am really worried as I am not feeling the same like before and my libido is low. Because of using hcg on cycle my body might have stopped producing appropriate amount of LH like it happened with the guy above. Can someone please help me out. I am extremely tensed right now

**Althenery** · 10-31-2015, 02:33 PM

Good article
I did a hcg blast pct with clomid and nolva and recovered extremely well I started blasting hcg a week before pct and then continued with hcg +pct.
I dont know why people are doing this hcg on cycle ,makes no sense to send the body 2 different signals turn on, turn off.
I know people that compete and know what they're doing with coaches and stuff helping for preps and they have been on the game a long time and have been very successful and NONE of them use hcg on cycle, where the hell hcg on cycle came from? From a non lifter expert writing a article? ?

**Mr.BB** · 10-31-2015, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy

2.5 months after pct i got some blood work done and my LH level came out 2.79 (ref range 1.50-9.30) and TT 510.33 (ref range 241.00-827.00).

This levels can be quite normal, of course you need to compare it to pre-cycle (or even better pre-AAS). My TT level off cycle vary from 500 to 550 and I feel fine.

You need to realize that on cycle libido is super high and some ppl have problems "remembering" what was the libido pre-AAS, 4-5 months earlier. Ppl just remember what was the libido on cycle and want it back, it doesnt work that way.

Further that than you used boldenone which has a slow ester, and depending on the quantity you could still have traces of the compound that may be affecting you.

Regarding hcg and the anedoctal evidence you provided, you need to realize that HCG during cycle is the most healthy way to use it and can promote a better recovery, but there are plenty other variables that can affect recovery. Even you, didnt replicate the 1st successfull cycle, you used different compounds and probably higher doses.

LH is not completely understood my medicine, but we do know that we have other LH receptors in our body besides those in testicles, dont you think it better to keep things working instead of halted to 3-4 months?

**Mr.BB** · 10-31-2015, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Althenery

Good article
I did a hcg blast pct with clomid and nolva and recovered extremely well I started blasting hcg a week before pct and then continued with hcg +pct.
I dont know why people are doing this hcg on cycle ,makes no sense to send the body 2 different signals turn on, turn off.
I know people that compete and know what they're doing with coaches and stuff helping for preps and they have been on the game a long time and have been very successful and NONE of them use hcg on cycle, where the hell hcg on cycle came from? From a non lifter expert writing a article? ?

Think you should investigate things a bit further instead of lashing here for no reason.

**kelkel** · 10-31-2015, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Althenery

I dont know why people are doing this hcg on cycle ,makes no sense to send the body 2 different signals turn on, turn off.

What BB said is on point. Yes, exogenous testosterone halts your HPTA axis and thus LH production from your pituitary. Meaning your testicals are left "hanging" so to speak with no normal LH signal. HCG mimics this signal and keeps them functioning which in turn makes restarting easier. It's modern as opposed to old school. I'm curious if there's any other body part you'd let basically suffer needlessly?

When it comes to pct, it's not an exact science and you need to understand that it's a crap shoot and always will be. What I mean by this is that one guy may restart perfectly every time and another may have serious issues and never come close to pre-cycle levels. There is no guarantee.

**aesthetics_sexy** · 10-31-2015, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

This levels can be quite normal, of course you need to compare it to pre-cycle (or even better pre-AAS).

I am comparing my present levels to pre aas levels . I clearly remember how horny I used to be and wanted sex all the time . But with my present levels I don't have the urge to have sex or masturbate at all.

Regarding hcg and the anedoctal evidence you provided, you need to realize that HCG during cycle is the most healthy way to use it and can promote a better recovery.

Thanks a lot for telling me this. I am much more relaxed now.

dont you think it better to keep things working instead of halted to 3-4 months?

Yes indeed.This is the reason I used HCG on cycle this time. But my doses of nolva and clomid were a bit low than previous cycle. So i think that could be the culprit. Can I go on a cycle of test e for a few weeks and then start a pct again ? Because this libido issue is really killing me as I no longer feel attracted to girls. I need to fix this asap.

**aesthetics_sexy** · 10-31-2015, 04:44 PM

When it comes to pct, it's not an exact science and you need to understand that it's a crap shoot and always will be. What I mean by this is that one guy may restart perfectly every time and another may have serious issues and never come close to pre-cycle levels. There is no guarantee.

If my HPTA gets permanently damaged then what is the solution? I know trt is the last resort. But I am very young (24 years old) and want to have kids in future. So do I have to run hcg with trt to prevent low sperm count? Please let me know sir.

**MrFreshmaker** · 10-31-2015, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by aesthetics_sexy

If my HPTA gets permanently damaged then what is the solution? I know trt is the last resort. But I am very young (24 years old) and want to have kids in future. So do I have to run hcg with trt to prevent low sperm count? Please let me know sir.

Your 2nd cycle was pretty heavy,3 compounds,so you definitely need more time to recover(libido wise).
I did an oral short cycle,and after pct it took 6+ months for libido to come back where it was before cycle,so give it more time!

**kelkel** · 10-31-2015, 07:54 PM

With permanent damage the solution is TRT, but you're not at that point. You need to be patient and give your HPTA time to recover. Everyone recovers at a different rate and you simply may need more time. I'd wait a couple more months, run some specific BW and see what progress has been made. If not sufficient in your eyes, consider another pct. And no, do not take more testosterone prior to another pct.