First Cut Cycle advice

[IronClydes]

I've always had an issue with a spare tire. The past 7 weeks of carb cycling hasn't helped it at all. I followed Marcus300's 40% lower carbs 5 days followed by a day 15% higher carbs 1 day; repeat. These were based on my maintenance calories. I may need to plan this cycle as my first cut cycle to finally lose it.

If you were me, at 233, with a lifelong spare tire. How would you plan a cut cycle to allow lean gains as well? I currently have test Cyp, Deca, hcg, Anastrozole, and prami on hand.

Maintenance cals are about 3500 and macros for that at 475 carb, 230 pro, 75 fat.

On the carb cycle though, it's 5 days @ 3400 @ 270/310/120, 1 day @ 4000 (600/230/75).

On a side note, there is the possibility of a looming random drug test at work. Doubtful they will test for AAS, but you never know.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Bodacious]

You say you have a spare tire but your at 13% BF... We have some what the same stats I am 6'4 6'5 I weighed today at 237. I would guess my BF at 13% give or take 1%. Any way you can post a pic so we can get a est. on your BF?

I like to stay somewhat lean year around. 13% I would think is avg. if not a tad better.

AAS drug test cost a lot of money so I would't worry about that with work, or stress over it. Most don't test for them.

Are you doing any cardio? Do you feel like your having good workouts?

[Bio-Active]

I've always had an issue with a spare tire. The past 7 weeks of carb cycling hasn't helped it at all. I followed Marcus300's 40% lower carbs 5 days followed by a day 15% higher carbs 1 day; repeat. These were based on my maintenance calories. I may need to plan this cycle as my first cut cycle to finally lose it.

If you were me, at 233, with a lifelong spare tire. How would you plan a cut cycle to allow lean gains as well? I currently have test Cyp, Deca, hcg, Anastrozole, and prami on hand.

Maintenance cals are about 3500 and macros for that at 475 carb, 230 pro, 75 fat.

On the carb cycle though, it's 5 days @ 3400 @ 270/310/120, 1 day @ 4000 (600/230/75).

On a side note, there is the possibility of a looming random drug test at work. Doubtful they will test for AAS, but you never know.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

I can cut with what you have but here is what i would do. Save the deca and prami for a bulk later on. Up your trt dose and drop your calories by 500 below maintenance. Up your cardio or even consider fasted cardio in the am. Do this cut and loose the extra bf to prepare you for a bulk later down the road. You only have time

[IronClydes]

You say you have a spare tire but your at 13% BF... We have some what the same stats I am 6'4 6'5 I weighed today at 237. I would guess my BF at 13% give or take 1%. Any way you can post a pic so we can get a est. on your BF? I like to stay somewhat lean year around. 13% I would think is avg. if not a tad better. AAS drug test cost a lot of money so I would't worry about that with work, or stress over it. Most don't test for them. Are you doing any cardio? Do you feel like your having good workouts?

Thanks Bodacious. I'll post a new pic in 10 minutes to this thread. My stats that you saw on my signature were outdated, I'm closer to 16%. 13ish was my best ever, earlier this year, on a blast.

I have great weight sessions with reliable results doing Marcus300's HIT training since January.

My cardio is usually 20 min treadmill at 10% incline at 3mph 3 times a week. Plus I mountain bike 1-2 times a week high intensity 20-45 minutes on average.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

I can cut with what you have but here is what i would do. Save the deca and prami for a bulk later on. Up your trt dose and drop your calories by 500 below maintenance. Up your cardio or even consider fasted cardio in the am. Do this cut and loose the extra bf to prepare you for a bulk later down the road. You only have time

So, just do a blast and cut cals? Last blast was 800 per week. Isobar count earned calories into my daily calories. At maintenance, with my current workouts, I probably am well under 500 per day.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Bio-Active]

So, just do a blast and cut cals? Last blast was 800 per week. Isobar count earned calories into my daily calories. At maintenance, with my current workouts, I probably am well under 500 per day.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

I do not even think you need that much 500 is plenty and then adjust your cardio like i suggested. Eat more greens. How clean are you eating?

[IronClydes]

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230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

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230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Bodacious]

I agree with BIO 500 is plenty. Sounds like your doing cardio and HIT. Those are both good things! I would cut cals by 500 and go from there. BIO told me about a year ago he prob doesn't even remember I posted my diet up and he told me I needed to get more greens also. So now I eat .75 cup to one cup of greens with almost every meal if I can. I can't always but I try my best.

10% incline 3mph for 20mins. That's good but damn that almost sounds like a leg workout. That's good cardio for sure. Have you tried just like a light jog or anything. Maybe change it up some. I always switch from incline walking to incline jogging to just a light flat jog.

[Bio-Active]

You look good brother everything is there. I really think you should run a cut. Like I said once you strip down some bf you will be lighter but look much bigger

[IronClydes]

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230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Bodacious]

Looking solid man! I think you should just cut your cals like BIO said by 500 and see how it goes for 4-6 weeks. Eat clean and bust your ass off. Do cardio at the end of your workout. You will burn more cals lifting. Plus you will be stronger lifting first. If you feel like doing cardio at the end your workout wasn't good enough. You should have to make your self do it.

[IronClydes]

I do not even think you need that much 500 is plenty and then adjust your cardio like i suggested. Eat more greens. How clean are you eating?

Very clean. I get shit all day from the guys about it.

Breakfast is 2 pieces Ezekiel with natural pb, scrambled eggs of 1 whole egg with 230g egg whites, 2 slices fat free sliced American.

Work meals on low carb days are 1 cup fresh green beans, 100g brown rice or red potatoes, 150g chicken, 1 oz almonds.

Pre workout is 250g jasmine with 100g chicken.

Post is whey plus creative. Then 350g jasmine with 100g chicken.

Bedtime is 2 cups cottage cheese with jam.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

I agree with BIO 500 is plenty. Sounds like your doing cardio and HIT. Those are both good things! I would cut cals by 500 and go from there. BIO told me about a year ago he prob doesn't even remember I posted my diet up and he told me I needed to get more greens also. So now I eat .75 cup to one cup of greens with almost every meal if I can. I can't always but I try my best. 10% incline 3mph for 20mins. That's good but damn that almost sounds like a leg workout. That's good cardio for sure. Have you tried just like a light jog or anything. Maybe change it up some. I always switch from incline walking to incline jogging to just a light flat jog.

Got it. Maintain my greens, change up cardio but maintain amount I'm doing, cut 500 from my current intake....that's brings it to 3000. My macros okay? I'll just cut those all from carbs as I have my body weight in protein, and 75 fat.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

You look good brother everything is there. I really think you should run a cut. Like I said once you strip down some bf you will be lighter but look much bigger

Got it, thanks bio.

My last blast was 800/week, what do you recommend? Same or less? I did just start running Deca at a therapeutic dose of 150/week about 2 weeks ago and was planning to maintain to help recover injuries and ongoing knee pains. Kel said he does this with his TRT ongoing and I like that idea.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

Looking solid man! I think you should just cut your cals like BIO said by 500 and see how it goes for 4-6 weeks. Eat clean and bust your ass off. Do cardio at the end of your workout. You will burn more cals lifting. Plus you will be stronger lifting first. If you feel like doing cardio at the end your workout wasn't good enough. You should have to make your self do it.

Got it . Thanks bodacious

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Bio-Active]

Very clean. I get shit all day from the guys about it. Breakfast is 2 pieces Ezekiel with natural pb, scrambled eggs of 1 whole egg with 230g egg whites, 2 slices fat free sliced American. Work meals on low carb days are 1 cup fresh green beans, 100g brown rice or red potatoes, 150g chicken, 1 oz almonds. Pre workout is 250g jasmine with 100g chicken. Post is whey plus creative. Then 350g jasmine with 100g chicken. Bedtime is 2 cups cottage cheese with jam. 230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

that doesn't seem like very many calories ? How many calls Ed?

[IronClydes]

that doesn't seem like very many calories ? How many calls Ed?

Maintenance cals are about 3500 and macros for that at 475 carb, 230 pro, 75 fat.

On the carb cycle though, it's 5 days @ 3400 @ 270/310/120, 1 day @ 4000 (600/230/75).

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

Maintenance cals are about 3500 and macros for that at 475 carb, 230 pro, 75 fat. On the carb cycle though, it's 5 days @ 3400 @ 270/310/120, 1 day @ 4000 (600/230/75). 230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

So with this new plan, no more carb cycling? Just maintain the 500 under?

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[Bio-Active]

Maintenance cals are about 3500 and macros for that at 475 carb, 230 pro, 75 fat. On the carb cycle though, it's 5 days @ 3400 @ 270/310/120, 1 day @ 4000 (600/230/75). 230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

looking at your food that doesn't look like 3,400 cals. I would be shocked if that's much over 2,000 have you ever broke each meal out to see?

[IronClydes]

looking at your food that doesn't look like 3,400 cals. I would be shocked if that's much over 2,000 have you ever broke each meal out to see?

The work meals are x2. I track all of my calories in myfitnesspal. Definitely hitting the numbers. I sometimes add more almonds and/or cheese sticks if low at bedtime.

230, 6', 34, 13% bf, bench 320, squat 435, dead 465.

[IronClydes]

Hey guys,

I am completely open to other AAS I don't currently have if you think those would be more promising in my first cut stack.

So far, I'm gathering that I should just run a blast, lower than my last (800/week), and run at a 500 calorie deficit from my current, for about 6 weeks.

So, is this just a 6-8 week cut cycle then? Then off the same time and then hit a bulk cycle without the spare tire?

I would be running Deca at a therapeutic dose of 150/week for now on, with trt or cycle....obviously, on a bulk, I would increase that dose.

[Bio-Active]

Hey guys, I am completely open to other AAS I don't currently have if you think those would be more promising in my first cut stack. So far, I'm gathering that I should just run a blast, lower than my last (800/week), and run at a 500 calorie deficit from my current, for about 6 weeks. So, is this just a 6-8 week cut cycle then? Then off the same time and then hit a bulk cycle without the spare tire? I would be running Deca at a therapeutic dose of 150/week for now on, with trt or cycle....obviously, on a bulk, I would increase that dose.

i would plan to cut for 12 weeks then take 12 weeks off before even considering a bulk . You could still continue to loose bf when your back to your trt

[IronClydes]

Okay, so 12 weeks at a 500 calorie daily negative. Any AAS or just a blast? Weekly cheat meals to throw metabolism off?

Anything else?

[Bio-Active]

Okay, so 12 weeks at a 500 calorie daily negative. Any AAS or just a blast? Weekly cheat meals to throw metabolism off? Anything else?

you want to make this a hard cut just do 500 test ew and 1 cheat each week

[IronClydes]

Got it. Thanks Bio. Goal is to get to your lean cuts. What's your bf% in your profile pic?

[Bio-Active]

Got it. Thanks Bio. Goal is to get to your lean cuts. What's your bf% in your profile pic?

about 8% lets do this!

[IronClydes]

That's awesome. I don't believe I have ever been below 13%...probably even came into this world with at least that

Mind approving of my meal plan for this, or disapproving with recommendations?

3000 calories - 40% of daily calories from protein, 40% from carbohydrate, and 20% from fat. That's 300 protein, 300 carbohydrates, and 67 fat.

Current meal plan is built around workouts being after work, daily, with weekends off, if not cardio only.

Breakfast
Coffee with Stevia and nondairy creamer
1 slice Ezekial Toast w/ 1 tbsp natural Skippy PB
250g egg whites w/ 1 whole egg w/ 1 slice fat-free cheese

Work Meal 1 and 2
150g whole grain brown rice
150g baked chicken breast
1/2 ounce lightly salted almonds
1 cup fresh green beans

PreWorkout Meal
200g jasmine rice
100g baked chicken breast
1 tsp garlic salt

Post workout meal
1 scoop whey protein blend w/ creatine (immediately after)
400g jasmine rice
150g baked chicken breast

Bedtime Meal
1 cup small curd cottage cheese
1/2 tsp Mio (for flavor)

Is there a real benefit to doing the fasted cardio? If so, I can commit to at least Saturday and Sunday mornings for that. Otherwise, during the work week, I'm already getting up too damn early (430 am).

Thanks!

[Bio-Active]

That's awesome. I don't believe I have ever been below 13%...probably even came into this world with at least that Mind approving of my meal plan for this, or disapproving with recommendations? 3000 calories - 40% of daily calories from protein, 40% from carbohydrate, and 20% from fat. That's 300 protein, 300 carbohydrates, and 67 fat. Current meal plan is built around workouts being after work, daily, with weekends off, if not cardio only. Breakfast Coffee with Stevia and nondairy creamer 1 slice Ezekial Toast w/ 1 tbsp natural Skippy PB 250g egg whites w/ 1 whole egg w/ 1 slice fat-free cheese Work Meal 1 and 2 150g whole grain brown rice 150g baked chicken breast 1/2 ounce lightly salted almonds 1 cup fresh green beans PreWorkout Meal 200g jasmine rice 100g baked chicken breast 1 tsp garlic salt Post workout meal 1 scoop whey protein blend w/ creatine (immediately after) 400g jasmine rice 150g baked chicken breast Bedtime Meal 1 cup small curd cottage cheese 1/2 tsp Mio (for flavor) Is there a real benefit to doing the fasted cardio? If so, I can commit to at least Saturday and Sunday mornings for that. Otherwise, during the work week, I'm already getting up too damn early (430 am). Thanks!

I think you should add more greens to your meal plan. Your cuttin so if you could get those greens into 3 different meals it would be better. Yes fasted cardio does help strive off fat

[IronClydes]

I think you should add more greens to your meal plan. Your cuttin so if you could get those greens into 3 different meals it would be better. Yes fasted cardio does help strive off fat

Okay, I have a cup of green beans already in both of my work meals; I will add another cup to my pre-workout meal as well.

I'll get my fasted cardio done on the weekends first thing. I understand that some whey or leucine beforehand is ideal to prevent muscle breakdown?

For fasted cardio, is 30-45 minutes of incline treadmill at about 120-130 bpm the ideal target for this?

[Bio-Active]

Okay, I have a cup of green beans already in both of my work meals; I will add another cup to my pre-workout meal as well. I'll get my fasted cardio done on the weekends first thing. I understand that some whey or leucine beforehand is ideal to prevent muscle breakdown? For fasted cardio, is 30-45 minutes of incline treadmill at about 120-130 bpm the ideal target for this?

keep your heart rate in the fat burning zone. It just depends on your stats for me it's 130 bpm

[IronClydes]

keep your heart rate in the fat burning zone. It just depends on your stats for me it's 130 bpm

Got it. I've been told I'm the same, 120-130ish. I'm 34 and 233 pounds.

Thanks for your help Bio.

Congrats on the promotion to Monitor!

[Bio-Active]

Got it. I've been told I'm the same, 120-130ish. I'm 34 and 233 pounds. Thanks for your help Bio. Congrats on the promotion to Monitor!

thanks a lot brother. Keep in mind you are going to be hungry. If not then we probably have you eating to much. Drink lots of water at least 1 gallon Ed 1.5 if you can

[IronClydes]

I understand and will do my best. Thanks!

[IronClydes]

Hey Bio,

How do you feel about incorporating some low dose Tren in lieu of a blast?

I would simply maintain my TRT dose of Test Cyp and HcG as well as a therapeutic dose of Deca (150/week).

I ask for two reasons:

1) Tren is more powerful than Test and it has better fat loss benefits.
2) I have a looming 'random' drug test and there is a fair chance that steroids are part of that test as they have the resources and there has been growing suspicion of myself and another (this other has a big mouth about it to make matters worse). If I stayed on TRT and did a low dose of Tren E (200/week), there is very little risk of detection on such a test. However, a blast would definitely show with the high test levels.

Thoughts?

This would be the planned cycle:

100 Tren E Twice Weekly
75 Deca Twice Weekly
75 Test Cyp Twice Weekly
250 HcG Twice Weekly
.25 Anastrozole Twice Weekly
Prami - Titrate up to .5 ED (bedtime)

[Bio-Active]

Hey Bio, How do you feel about incorporating some low dose Tren in lieu of a blast? I would simply maintain my TRT dose of Test Cyp and HcG as well as a therapeutic dose of Deca (150/week). I ask for two reasons: 1) Tren is more powerful than Test and it has better fat loss benefits. 2) I have a looming 'random' drug test and there is a fair chance that steroids are part of that test as they have the resources and there has been growing suspicion of myself and another (this other has a big mouth about it to make matters worse). If I stayed on TRT and did a low dose of Tren E (200/week), there is very little risk of detection on such a test. However, a blast would definitely show with the high test levels. Thoughts? This would be the planned cycle: 100 Tren E Twice Weekly 75 Deca Twice Weekly 75 Test Cyp Twice Weekly 250 HcG Twice Weekly .25 Anastrozole Twice Weekly Prami - Titrate up to .5 ED (bedtime)

it looks good but if your really trying to lean up how attached are you to the deca?

[IronClydes]

it looks good but if your really trying to lean up how attached are you to the deca?

The Deca is to help me with some injuries I am recovering from.

A mountain biking accident resulted in a concussion and several contusions and bruised ribs. Additionally, my knees have been a bit of a pain for some years now. I just started the Deca about 3 weeks ago now, so it is only starting to take effect. Does such a low dose really stand in the way of my cuts?

[Bio-Active]

The Deca is to help me with some injuries I am recovering from. A mountain biking accident resulted in a concussion and several contusions and bruised ribs. Additionally, my knees have been a bit of a pain for some years now. I just started the Deca about 3 weeks ago now, so it is only starting to take effect. Does such a low dose really stand in the way of my cuts?

you should be fine just don't go over 150 ew and you could just do it all at once rather then splitting it

[IronClydes]

Okay. I have been just combining the Test Cyp with the Deca biweekly. Once I get the Tren, I will combine with the test and maybe do the Deca on it's own once weekly to keep the syringe dose lower.

[Bio-Active]

Okay. I have been just combining the Test Cyp with the Deca biweekly. Once I get the Tren, I will combine with the test and maybe do the Deca on it's own once weekly to keep the syringe dose lower.

that might just make it easier