First Cycle

[ionutzini]

I'm 31 years old, 6'3'', I weigh 201 lbs with 13% body fat and have been lifting for about 4 years now. I want to do my first cycle starting january, did some research and would appreciate some opinions. My cycle goes like this:

1-12 Test E 2X250mg
1-13 HCG 2X250IU
14 HCG 250IU EOD
15 HCG 500IU EOD
1-15 Adex .5mg twice a week, the day after Test, moving to EOD in case of sides
16-19 Clomid 50/50/50/50 and Nolva 20/20/10/10

P.S.: Considering it takes the Test a few weeks to kick in, can I start HCG from week 3, or should I just start like I planned from week 1?

[TheTaxMan]

Start HCG from the day you start the Test E

Test E still releases in the blood quickly, in terms of "kicking in" this is usualy reffered to when we see the gains, which is about 4 weeks in my experience.

Your PCT should start 2 weeks after your last shot of Test E, not 4 weeks
Run your HCG right from the start and drop it a couple of days before PCT.

Standard PCT is clomid 75/50/50/50 nolva 40/20/20/20

Looks good to go!

[ionutzini]

Start HCG from the day you start the Test E

Test E still releases in the blood quickly, in terms of "kicking in" this is usualy reffered to when we see the gains, which is about 4 weeks in my experience.

Your PCT should start 2 weeks after your last shot of Test E, not 4 weeks
Run your HCG right from the start and drop it a couple of days before PCT.

Standard PCT is clomid 75/50/50/50 nolva 40/20/20/20

Looks good to go!

Thanks for the input. I was thinking about running HCG for a longer period of time after the last Test pin, in order to give the Test enough time to leave the body before starting PCT. From what I've read, I shouldn't be losing any of the gains while on HCG, since the testes will be making up for the artificial test leaving my body. Is that incorrect?

[Bodacious]

take a look at this and re read it after you have read it.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[clarky.]

take a look at this and re read it after you have read it.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

Read the link that Bod posted for you ^^^^ follow that to the T and you should have a good cycle and the best chance of recovery.

Get your TDEE'S sorted remember if you don't eat you won't grow its a simple as that.
It would be a good idea to spend some time in the nutrition section.

[ionutzini]

Thanks for the advice. I'm clear on the nutrition part as I have been experimenting with that for quite a while now. As for the cycle, the article says pretty much that the cycle I've put together is okay, the only difference being that I should start PCT after 2 weeks instead of 3 (I'm not starting after 4, don't know why people think that)

[TheTaxMan]

HCG aids recovery.
Your eating and training will have a bigger impact on wether you keep the gains, make sure you eat like a pig during and after PCT

The reason why i thought your starting PCT 4 weeks after your cycle is because in the original post you wrote

test e 1-12
Pct 16-19

Thats a 4 week gap?

You should start PCT 10-14 days after your last Test E shot, not 28 days

[ionutzini]

HCG aids recovery.
Your eating and training will have a bigger impact on wether you keep the gains, make sure you eat like a pig during and after PCT

The reason why i thought your starting PCT 4 weeks after your cycle is because in the original post you wrote

test e 1-12
Pct 16-19

Thats a 4 week gap?

You should start PCT 10-14 days after your last Test E shot, not 28 days

Will eat my heart off ^^. I plan to stop the Test E at the end of week 12, then take HCG for the next 2 weeks (13,14) and the last dose probably on wednesday of week 15. The monday of week 16 is supposed to be my first day of Clomid/Nolva. Not sure if this is the best protocol, but if I feel that my body needs it, I can stop HCG a bit early and start PCT

[TheTaxMan]

You will never "feel" the best option, its all guessing realy,

Standard protocol is 12 weeks test, HCG for 2 weeks then pct, i wouldnt have a 4 week gap between my last test e shot and PCT regardless of the HCG useage. And to be honest, personaly never read anyone doing that.

[ionutzini]

You will never "feel" the best option, its all guessing realy,

Standard protocol is 12 weeks test, HCG for 2 weeks then pct, i wouldnt have a 4 week gap between my last test e shot and PCT regardless of the HCG useage. And to be honest, personaly never read anyone doing that.

This is one of the opinions that I've read before designing my cycle.
For some reason I'm not allowed to copy/paste links, so you'll have to copy it into your browser if you wanna take a look
bodybuildingforums.com.au/pct-post-cycle-therapy-oct-on-cycle-therapy/2288-hcg-how-long-post-cycle-and-during.html

[TheTaxMan]

Theres a lot of opinions out there, im just simply giving mine

But good luck with the cycle man