Is This Real Life: Enough is Enough!!So I am skimming the forums the other evening like I often do and there it was, “LDG-4033 with MK-677(like stacking TEST and HGH) but safer”. That was the title of the thread. I did a double take and clicked on it thinking to myself possible typo or something? I mean what the HELL is that? Much to my amusement it wasn’t a typo, the post went on to pass along some totally misleading information on LGD-4033 and MK-677. Things like LGD-4033 induces minimal shutdown when in fact LGD has been shown to induce significant suppression at doses as low as 1mg. Then MK was referred to as,” the most convenient form of GH”, like it is actual growth hormone. It also went on to say MK makes body fat seemingly “melt off” and induces rapid muscle gain.
The first thing that popped into my mind after reading this post was in fact the title of this blog, “Is this real life because enough is enough man.” This thread was kind of the straw that broke the camel’s back. You may have seen me from time to time refer to irresponsible marketing tactics and claims but in my mind this one kind of took the cake. I mean it’s bad enough the inflated claims that are made in order to market & sell products but when you start posting inaccurate information that may actually be harmful to someone’s long term health and wellbeing and that are so misleading they are out and out lies something needs to be said/done.
A recent lawsuit brought against IronMagLabs echoes a similar sentiment. They are being sued in California court for stating that the Sarm Ostarine does not cause HPTA shutdown and has no adverse side effects what so ever. The facts on this product are clear, it does cause suppression in a dose dependent manner and of course it has side effects that would be considered adverse, almost everything does. Again one has to ask himself, why? Why lie? Why cast aside your very own customers’ health and wellbeing like that just to sell a product? The answer of course is obvious, the almighty dollar.
Since I have just mentioned a couple Sarms above in my examples of unscrupulous and inaccurate marketing claims now is as good a time as any to address the issue of Sarms and many of the companies selling them. Being the “latest and greatest” I suppose Sarms are the most likely candidates for such erroneous claims to be made but I can honestly say it has been quite a long time since I have seen a product category come to market that has been accompanied by such inaccurate and dubious marketing claims. Companies such as Sarms1 and SarmsSearch along with others dedicated to the sale of sarms have flooded the market with inaccurate, misleading and downright dangerous claims as far as their effects go. The primary area that this has been exhibited in would be Sarms effects on the HPTA. Lets get this straight here and now, all Sarms, some more than others, exhibit a suppressive effect on the HPTA. While this normally occurs in a dose dependent manner some actually exhibit significant suppression at a dose as low as 1mg (LGD-4033)!
Claims such as Sarms can safely be taken during PCT or Sarms are not suppressive or even the claim that taking aa serm alongside of a Sarm will “offset” any suppression are being made. I have one word for all of these claims – Bullshit! These guys need to ge their heads out of their asses and realize we are talking about peoples HPTA here, a hormonal system that regulates so many factors in the human body when it comes to overall health, mental and physical wellbeing it isn’t funny. We are potentially talking about someone’s ability to have children here among other things for goodness sake. Now I am not saying that if you take Sarms standalone under the assumption there is no suppression that you will never be able to have a child, not even close. What I am saying is how fvcking irresponsible can you be to make such claims about a product just to line your pockets.
What we have observed taking place is that not only has this irresponsible marketing occurred on a company level by individual Supplement, Sarms and RC companies but we have seen it carry over to take over entire forums. What seems to occur is that all the companies on said forums band together and agree to support one another’s erroneous contentions, creating a totally misleading environment for many times unsuspecting and often new forum members. It should be mentioned as well that you can pretty much rest assured that a rep who markets for companies that would stoop to such low levels do not have just one user on a forum. What they have no problem doing is creating numerous and multiple users under different user names. This allows them to post something as a rep and use other what I like to call “ghost users” to support their BS claims. So now you are looking at not only the company reps of the immoral companies banding together agreeing to support one another, you have the reps plus perhaps 4-5 additional users each supporting this nonsense when it is posted as well. Now it would be bad enough if it just ended there, more than bad enough, but it doesn’t.
Taking this crap a step further you have seen entire forums, including staff members sign on and agree to cosign this bvllshit! This primarily occurs on forums where the primary concerns of the forum owner and admin have one primary concern and one concern only- the almighty dollar again. The companies are all paying sponsors; paying sponsors are a primary means as to how these forums generate their revenue. The more successful the sponsors are the more likely more sponsors are to sign on and the more likely sponsors are to remain. So the trend of shady marketing, rather than a trickle down effect has a trickle up effect if you will. You now have staff backing these bvllshit claims as well. Factor that into the number of forum users you have spouting off and cosigning this bull. The reps, all their ghost users, the staff, all of their nuthugging lackies (in order to remain in the “in” crowd”), the friends of all the reps even seem to want to fit in and be aa part of this nonsense to “help a bro out”. You can quickly see where this is heading. Before you know it as I said you have an entire forum that is founded on essentially total bullshit!
Some companies have seen to it that this will occur right off the bat. They start and have their own forums. This ensures that all of the above mentioned people will participate in this form of unscrupulous marketing. Others simply find a forum that has an owner who has no problem operating his forum in such a manner and they jump on in.
Forums such as IML, EVO, ASF, Bodybuilding.com and others are examples of forums where the forum owners own their own companies that sell & market products so they are pre-ordained to be the way I just described since apparently the owners have no shame. Now other forums such as Anabolic Minds and Elite are examples of forums that simply allowed this to take place and take over the entire forum…all for a buck.
You can quickly see where this bvllshit has gotten totally out of hand. Now in all fairness I have to mention that some forums recognized this as the direction they had taken and began to see that they were being a part of the problem and chose to make a change and be a part of the solution. For example Elite recognized this and essentially cleaned house of their sponsors. Bullshit companies like Saarms1 and NTBM were given the boot and responsible marketing sponsors such as *** were brought in. I say kudos to them. They had the balls, in spite of looking into the face of great financial loss to stand for what is right and put a stop to it. They have a long road ahead of them but at least they decided to stand for something that is right and see it through.
Now I have mentioned companies and forums that participate in this crap and I mentioned one forum that did and chose to stop it. In all fairness I should mention that there are companies that have never participated in such marketing tactics. You see it IS possible to market in an ethical and moral fashion. For example what the hell is wrong with saying that a Sarm should be used with a test base or should not be used in PCT? Absolutely nothing! You see Sarms DO have some benefits such as reduced impact on prostate or reduce impact on liver enzymes or in some cases reduced effect on lipid profile. Those things right there make them a highly marketable anabolic without having to stoop to the level of lying about impact on the HPTA! That’s what makes the practice of this reprehensible form of marketing that is taking place even more absurd! Some companies do realize that it is prudent and ethically responsible to market a product on its merits and inform customers as to their potential side effects. Sadly these are few and far between these days but you can recognize them. You can also look to the people that recommend them as a guide. It is obvious in most cases the people that put your wellbeing first and have no agenda but it does take time to recognize who those people are.
There are also forums that don’t participate in this garbage either. You also should be able to recognize which ones they are. I will again refer to a line I used in a previous blog, if you are reading this on a particular forum there is aa good chance that it falls into this category.
So I have gone on and on about this crap that infuriates me. Its been all about the problem. So what is the solution? Look in the fvcking mirror guys. It is time to grow a set and put a stop to this crap and look out for one another. That’s the thing that floors me; it is people within the community that are ****ing over their very own brothers in iron! WTF is that man?
You have a choice to make. If you’re a rep look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself how you want to make a buck and at what cost? If you’re a forum owner ask yourself the same. Lastly and most importantly and the group that ironically has the most clout (and is the one on the losing end right now) is just the good old forum member. Its time to support the companies and forums that do business the right way, in a responsible and ethical manner. Its also time to call out these reps, their ghost users, the staff on these forums and all their nuthugging friends. If your posts get deleted then so be it, you have your answer – go to another forum that isn’t a shit hole shill spot and help people there. These guys cant do it all on their own. Educate the newcomer to these tactics, pm them, make them aware. The very solution is in our hands guys. Ask yourself today do I want to be a part of the problem or a part of the solution because that’s what it comes down too. If you aren’t standing for something your falling for anything and it is at the expense of your newcomer and often young brothers in Iron. How about we all start to do the right thing and expect the same from the companies and the forums we choose to support!
Thanks for reading!
Regards,
Jimmyinkedup
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