muscle loss?

**Big z** · 12-15-2015, 06:34 AM

So I've decided to come clean and get off gear for couple of years, since I have abused steroid in the past my test level will never likely to be normal again. I have seen an endo and he told me to wait 6 weeks till the gear is out of the system before putting me on hcg treatment.... but since its xmas and NY soon the endo is all booked out till feb so I wont able to see him again for 8 weeks. The question is is it possible to maintain the gains if I train as hard as possible and eating the same cal during the 8 weeks period while on low test and no pct?

**TheTaxMan** · 12-15-2015, 06:39 AM

Anything is possible!

Its definatley your best option, eat big and clean and keep your water intake high, train as hard as you can, there of course is a high chance you will lose size but dont let that get you down or make you give up because you will lose even more. Determination is your best friend.

good luck.

**SidVicious77** · 12-15-2015, 03:52 PM

You will lose some visible size from losing the extra water you're holding - Best be prepared for that. Even eating clean, your fat %age will go up because you won't have the aas helping with nutrient partitioning and you'll have high Cortisol releasing a lot of sugar into your bloodstream. But provided you eat big enough and keep training hard and consistently you don't have to lose much if any muscle protein - unless you're past your genetic limit.

**Ashop** · 12-15-2015, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Big z

So I've decided to come clean and get off gear for couple of years, since I have abused steroid in the past my test level will never likely to be normal again. I have seen an endo and he told me to wait 6 weeks till the gear is out of the system before putting me on hcg treatment.... but since its xmas and NY soon the endo is all booked out till feb so I wont able to see him again for 8 weeks. The question is is it possible to maintain the gains if I train as hard as possible and eating the same cal during the 8 weeks period while on low test and no pct?

Keep the mind frame your still 'ON'. Try to train and eat just as hard as you ever did. I have found when people let up this is why the complain of loss of gains or not retaining what they gained during a cycle.

**Big z** · 12-16-2015, 05:18 AM

Thx for the encouragement guys. So far its been 5 weeks already since my last shot of test p, strength is down about 30% on chest and shoulders, lost about 10kgs, zero sex drive feels like crap. Yet I still pushed on and trying to eat as much as I can. Appearance wise I still looks the same but just leaner. I guess more of a mental thing then anything else really. Just another 4 weeks till I see the endo again hopefully I will feel much better while on the treatment.

**TheTaxMan** · 12-16-2015, 05:21 AM

You would have lost water retention is why your looking leaner and dropped in weight, 10kg loss sounds a lot though

Strength loss is normal but just keep hitting those muscles hard

**SidVicious77** · 12-16-2015, 11:51 AM

One question, why are you going six weeks without pct and then going onto hcg ? You should have been running hcg throughout, then jumped onto pct 3 days after your last test p pin... No wonder you're losing so much weight!

**clarky.** · 12-16-2015, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by SidVicious77

One question, why are you going six weeks without pct and then going onto hcg? You should have been running hcg throughout, then jumped onto pct 3 days after your last test p pin... No wonder you're losing so much weight!

The endo is putting him on hcg but yes he should have started pct then once done went and seen the endo.

**SidVicious77** · 12-16-2015, 07:01 PM

I saw that his endo wants to put him on hcg - it's just that he's coming off what sounds like a long cycle with no pct at all, not even any hcg for six to eight weeks. .. No wonder he's losing size and strength.

**Mr.BB** · 12-16-2015, 08:31 PM

Your endo seems clueless.

You going to lose all gains without pct.

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2015, 11:18 AM

The HCG won't do much if you've developed primary hypogonadism. Get a new endo.

**Big z** · 12-18-2015, 03:17 AM

that's what I thought too I normally start hcg 2 weeks after my last shot to keep gains and nolva 4 weeks out. But since I put myself in this situation I thought I get an endo to help me get back on track this time. He was even referred to me by another specialist that knows about steroids .... I srsly hope he knows what his doing cause I didn't come this far to lose all my gains......

**Cody95** · 12-18-2015, 04:57 AM

Have you tried using Peps like GHRP-2 or 6? It will help you keep your gains. Maybe not all, but it will help.

**Big z** · 12-18-2015, 12:49 PM

Currently got Blackstone lab mk ultra n Olympus labs rad140 on hand but hesitant to use due to number of forums states those products r fake n research sarms shouldn't b in a cap form

**Cody95** · 12-18-2015, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Big z

Currently got Blackstone lab mk ultra n Olympus labs rad140 on hand but hesitant to use due to number of forums states those products r fake n research sarms shouldn't b in a cap form

Well i suggest looking into GHRP-2.

**rGus** · 12-18-2015, 08:42 PM

Ostarine?

**tice1212** · 12-19-2015, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Big z

Currently got Blackstone lab mk ultra n Olympus labs rad140 on hand but hesitant to use due to number of forums states those products r fake n research sarms shouldn't b in a cap form

They are effective but they are also suppressive to ur test levels. Research Chems are more legit but again suppressive.

**Big z** · 12-19-2015, 12:53 PM

Well mk677 is like ghrp6 + CJC. And ostarine gonna run it for 6 weeks. Belly gone bigger legs n arms is smaller. Look freaken hideous now..

**Bo58** · 12-19-2015, 07:00 PM

I would stay away from sarms man. Those are suppressive and won't help your situation. I would keep your training short and intense while also keeping your calorie intake above maintenance level. Starting hcg in 8 weeks doesn't seem to make sense. It would have been ideal to start pct or simply start trt. I would look for a new endo who will run some blood work and then explore trt options, rather than just hcg by itself.

**tice1212** · 12-19-2015, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Big z

Well mk677 is like ghrp6 + CJC. And ostarine gonna run it for 6 weeks. Belly gone bigger legs n arms is smaller. Look freaken hideous now..

Yeah that's a good combo.
25mg ED of mk-677
500mcg E3D of cjc-DAC

**SidVicious77** · 12-20-2015, 06:00 AM

Dude, if you're committed to suppressing yourself anyway it would be better to forget the sarms and get back onto test only till two weeks out before you see the doc. Better yet would be to do a proper pct right away and let him pick up from where you are when you see him.