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[DGenRit]

Hello everyone. I'm new here as a registered user but have been reading a lot over the last 8 months or so. I'm a 5' 11" 47 year old male that has gone through a pretty dramatic transformation. I live in the US. I did a few cycles back in my 20s and a little in my early 30s. I've battled my weight gain my entire life but always kept it manageable (except for a 3 year period in my 20s when I ballooned up to 270 lbs with little muscle).

At 40 years old I started very basic TRT, HCG and HGH but nothing earth-shattering (125mg of test per week and 1.5IU of HGH per day). Did that non-stop for 7 years just to keep my test levels at a normal level of about 700-750 and to benefit from some anti-aging. I worked out throughout but never really made the lifestyle change to make fitness my priority. That all changed about 8 months ago.

I started my recent transformation 8 months ago with nothing but hard work in the gym, great dieting and the above-mentioned TRT/HGH. At 5 months into my transformation after I had seen dramatic results with no gear, I added some gear (only injectables and troches- first Winny troches, Then Tren and then Mas) and upped my Test and HGH (went to 375mg per week and 4.5 IU of HGH ED.). To be clear, I took test and HGH the entire time. The Winny, Tren and Mas were never stacked with each other. Here are specifics from the point that I added the gear.

Week 1-8 - 50mg Winny Troches ED; 125mg Test EOD (100 ENAN 25 PROP); 4IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED

Week 9-13 - 100mg Tren EOD; 125mg Test EOD; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED

Week 14-16 - 100mg Mas EOD; 100 mg Test Cyp/EN/Prop EOD; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED

Week 17 - 50mg Mas EOD; 100mg Test Cyp/EN/Prop EOD; 5IU HGH ED; 1/2 Arimidex ED

PCT - drop test to 125mg 1x week, whole arimidex ED for 1 week, then 1/2 ED. 2 weeks after cycle start HCG

I'm currently on Week 15.

I went from 250 pounds and probably 30% bf (never got a BF test back then) to 210 pounds today and 6% bf now (had BF test done recently). Getting ready to come down and start PCT.

That's my story guys. Looking forward to being a part of this community and learning more about how to safely continue to use gear and improve my physique. Any help or constructive criticism would be appreciated. What do you guys think about the above cycle?

[TheTaxMan]

Well done
Any before and after pics?

[DGenRit]

Well done
Any before and after pics?

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see.

[NACH3]

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see.

Yeah but you sure look great now! Well done brother!

But why do you keep saying pct... When your on HRT/TRT you just return back to your normal doses...

[DGenRit]

Yeah but you sure look great now! Well done brother!

But why do you keep saying pct... When your on HRT/TRT you just return back to your normal doses...

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750.

Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got gyno. Do you advise otherwise?

[MrFreshmaker]

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750. Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got hypo. Do you advise otherwise?

500 without TRT??!! Can you explain what kind of low test symptoms you had? I am younger than you and my test levels are between 500-600,and i feel great,my libido is through the roof constantly! Just curious what pushed into TRT

[kelkel]

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750.

Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got gyno. Do you advise otherwise?

Adex for a few weeks after cycle is appropriate although it's not necessary to double your dosage. No logic to it.
HCG should be used ALL the time. Not just after a cycle. 250 IU's x 2 per week is fine.
Without blood work you have no clue whether you needed adex while on your TRT. Many guys do even at TRT amounts of test.
Gyno is only a visible side effect. There are many more internal issues with elevated estrogen.

[Mr.BB]

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750.

Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got gyno. Do you advise otherwise?

Looking great!

But you dont have any natural testosterone since you started TRT 7 years ago.
Once we inject our body stops producing completely, and the longer you stay on the harder it is get the testis back to work.
Maybe you need to revise if you really want stop, you will lose a lot.

Do you do bloodwork often? Hows your hematocrit?

[DGenRit]

But why do you keep saying pct... When your on HRT/TRT you just return back to your normal doses...

Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

Thanks.

[kelkel]

Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

Thanks.

HCG should be a part of your normal TRT protocol. I don't recall but if you've been running an AI but it's normal to continue use for a couple weeks post cycle. Then reduce the dosage or eliminate it based on your TRT BW. SERMS will do nothing for you if on TRT. They will not over-power the shut down effects of exogenous testosterone. Low dose Nolva on cycle is fine if there are chest / gyno issues.

[NACH3]

Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

Thanks.

Kel hit the nail on the head!

[Strongblood]

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see. <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=160896"/>

You may have let yourself go, but you got yourself back, nicely!

[73rr]

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see.

Great job man! Inspiration for sure!

[TheTaxMan]

Dont worry i did the same, i have a log back in the q&a section

The main thing is getting back on track, congrats man thats excellent progress

[clarkey02]

Impressive, I'd say maybe we should be the one asking you for advice because you look far better than taxman and me. Good job!

[TheTaxMan]

Impressive, I'd say maybe we should be the one asking you for advice because you look far better than taxman and me. Good job!

Hes actualy at my goal, apart from bodyfat, too hard to maintain that, you have to be very dedicated.

5ft11 210lbs 6% hes at

5ft8 202lbs 14% im at now
5ft8 210lbs 10% is my goal, so i can kind of see the mass id have - right no PCT for me, time to treble the dose j/k

[MrFreshmaker]

Only 8 months?!! Wow...

[DGenRit]

Only 8 months?!! Wow...

Yes sir - but a very strictly adhered to 8 months. Not a single missed workout and everything I eat gets logged and macros recorded.

[MrFreshmaker]

Yes sir - but a very strictly adhered to 8 months. Not a single missed workout and everything I eat gets logged and macros recorded.

Congratulation,really a huge transformation,well done!

[somewhatjacked]

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see.

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=160896"/>

Wow congratulations!!!

You look great!

[Proximal]

Insane transformation - congrats. Question: Is the before picture before you initiated the HRT 7 years ago or before this 8 month lifestyle change?

[DGenRit]

Insane transformation - congrats. Question: Is the before picture before you initiated the HRT 7 years ago or before this 8 month lifestyle change?

That BEFORE picture is April 2015 before I started the transformation. TRT I did was low dosage - not meant for building a ton of mass. My diet wasn't great and training was mediocre at best.

[DGenRit]

Hello all - pardon my question but I want to be sure I do this properly and don't go against the rules here. I am on my final week of the above mentioned cycle and did BW about 10 days ago - and just got results. I would love to have some feedback on it but don't know if this is the right place to post it. I know there is a BW thread but since my cycle/transformation is here, I thought this may be the best place for it. Is it OK to post it here? Just looking for some input on how good/bad my numbers look. I think many can learn from this as the numbers (according to my interpretation of them), look pretty good. Should I post labs here or on a different thread?

[Mr.BB]

Agreed with Kel's notes.

Regarding the high RDW it confirms the metabolic syndrome, but in my opinion is induced by the tren. It can also be from liver stress or from b12/folate deficiencies.

Either way, for now, I would not stress too much about it. But would retest 3-4 weeks after cycle. Also an abdominal ultrasound at your age is very advisable, it will check your liver, spleen etc. Its ussually not vey expensive, and easily paid by insurance.

If it is b12/folate/iron problem it is expect for your hematocrit to rise if you start supplementing, so it is always advisable to go donate. 14 weeks is a long cycle so its probably time for you to give your body a break

[Viking13]

Will do, thanks kel. I'm going to pm you with a separate question as well.

[kelkel]

Will do, thanks kel. I'm going to pm you with a separate question as well.

Remember test suppresses shbg so more test = lower shbg. Thus the opposite is also true.

[Viking13]

Remember test suppresses shbg so more test = lower shbg. Thus the opposite is also true.

As always, thank you for that knowledge, as I was unaware of that fluctuation.