Planning a possible short cycle #2

**Alta** · 12-29-2015, 04:50 PM

Current Inventory on hand:

- test prop 4 vials
- Test Enth (2 vials, likely won't use unless someone can recommend a usage?)
- HCG
- Arimadex
- Nolva
- Clomid
- Cialis

Ran a cycle about 7 months ago where I started with Anavar /Prop, ran into some high blood pressure issues after about 4 weeks, so I stopped and went PCT. Have since identified cause of HBP and dropped a prescription med. Nolva/Clomid PCT. Arimadex as an AI. Cialis just in case in the AM and PM if BP spikes. 40 YO, Diet is in check, I train like a madman 5-7 days a week, 15-17%BF. Blood work done (about 6 times in the last 7 months....!) so I have test, liver, and cholesterol baselines. No issues to speak of.

Looking at a 6 (maybe 7 if time permits?) week cycle of prop. 150MG EOD (maybe a little more as it's a short cycle). I was looking at a 6 week cycle that runs into Feb, starting PCT and taking a 7 day holiday in Mexico, running my PCT and time off, blood work, then doing another 6 week cycle sometime in late spring. The timing seems to work so that's why I'm considering it.

Question here is, would you run HCG as it is so short?

Any suggestions on the plan?

**SOL!D5NAK3** · 12-29-2015, 05:06 PM

6-7 weeks is not that short . Short cycle is a 4 week cycle or even 2-3 (2 on 4 off mehtod)

I've ran test e for 6 weeks with great result , you have to use at least 2-3 times higher than regular dose.
I run 500mg test in regular cycles (8-10 weeks) but for a 4-5 weeks cycle 2g's is a good choice . Also use orals like adrol or dbol , Ai and hcg like other standard cycles

**NACH3** · 12-29-2015, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by SOL!D5NAK3

6-7 weeks is not that short . Short cycle is a 4 week cycle or even 2-3 (2 on 4 off mehtod)

I've ran test e for 6 weeks with great result , you have to use at least 2-3 times higher than regular dose.
I run 500mg test in regular cycles (8-10 weeks) but for a 4-5 weeks cycle 2g's is a good choice . Also use orals like adrol or dbol , Ai and hcg like other standard cycles

When you ran test e for 6wks... Was that also high doses, SOL!D5NAK3? I'm looking into my first SBC... And am priming for about 6-8 wks since I'm on a pullback and recovering & will be on a pullback/prime from HIT & time it to where I'm coming out of my pullback into full bore HIT with a short burst cycle(4-5wks) then re prime if BW comes back gtg then I'll switch up my compounds from NPP to tren a... With a d-Bol w/nandrolone ... Drol w/tren a -- I'd love to run prop with these as well

**SOL!D5NAK3** · 12-30-2015, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

When you ran test e for 6wks... Was that also high doses, SOL!D5NAK3? I'm looking into my first SBC... And am priming for about 6-8 wks since I'm on a pullback and recovering & will be on a pullback/prime from HIT & time it to where I'm coming out of my pullback into full bore HIT with a short burst cycle(4-5wks) then re prime if BW comes back gtg then I'll switch up my compounds from NPP to tren a... With a d-Bol w/nandrolone... Drol w/tren a -- I'd love to run prop with these as well

I've ran 1g test for 6 weeks. I dunno if it is high or not , for me it is. But for short cycles stacking is the key IMO . High doses of test + adrol or dbol and another androgen like nandrolone or tren is a very good choice, hell even throw slin in it . But sbc method is for people on trt or people cycling back to back(with out staying off) imo. For people like my self who do pct and stay off gear , regular cycles are better .

**mark woods** · 12-30-2015, 06:41 AM

I'm guessing doing these type of cycles you must balloon up quiet a lot?not something I could do myself as obvious as it is too other people I'm using I try not to make it so obvious.but if I didn't have to worry about that I'd say it would be fun..

**Alta** · 12-30-2015, 09:54 AM

Yeah I looked into the short burst cycle. Don't think I'm quite ready for that yet......maybe sometime down the road. I do like the idea of priming and then hitting the gear hard and fast as it fits into my busy lifestyle. I'm typically pretty strict on diet anyway, so it's a pretty minor adjustment for me to prime accordingly.

I'm also skipping the orals to be honest. I have a pile of Anavar , but it's too hard on the liver. My mid-cycle blood results the last time I ran it had my GP thinking I had hepatitis....

So 6 week, 175mg (200mg?) prop EOD. Being a newb I'm still a little hesitant to get into the high dosages.
HCG
Arimadex

Clomid/Nolva PCT

**NACH3** · 12-30-2015, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Alta

Yeah I looked into the short burst cycle. Don't think I'm quite ready for that yet......maybe sometime down the road. I do like the idea of priming and then hitting the gear hard and fast as it fits into my busy lifestyle. I'm typically pretty strict on diet anyway, so it's a pretty minor adjustment for me to prime accordingly.

I'm also skipping the orals to be honest. I have a pile of Anavar , but it's too hard on the liver. My mid-cycle blood results the last time I ran it had my GP thinking I had hepatitis....

So 6 week, 175mg (200mg?) prop EOD. Being a newb I'm still a little hesitant to get into the high dosages.
HCG
Arimadex

Clomid/Nolva PCT

If your just running test again At a higher dose but shorter duration(should help your with recovery as well) but 200mgs EOD is ok for a short cycle(depending on results your looking for - & prop its always been my favorite test) - depending on what you've ran your test at prior? Only you will know if you can handle it... Best of luck

**mietek** · 12-30-2015, 10:32 AM

4 vials will give you 8 weeks, I am not fun of test only cycles

I would some oral, dbol or winstrol

**NACH3** · 12-30-2015, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by mietek

4 vials will give you 8 weeks, I am not fun of test only cycles

I would some oral, dbol or winstrol

I'd also get at least one more vial just in case it's underfilled(notorious for some UGLs --

Also, take in consideration of his plan(stats will dictate what compounds could be used... If running prop there's no need for a kicker - however, if he backloaded an oral it would push him past any sticking points... If he had any hence his shorter run...

**Alta** · 12-30-2015, 11:29 AM

I do have anavar , but I'm a little hesitant on that from the sides I got last time. I was considering backloading the last 2 weeks, but keep in mind I'm heading to Mexico mid Feb and I plan to stress the liver a little while there.....

I also have 5 vials, but one was opened with 150mg removed back in May when I ran my last cycle and had to stop. Not sure if I want to use that one or not, I would assume it's "compromised"??

**NACH3** · 12-30-2015, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Alta

I do have anavar , but I'm a little hesitant on that from the sides I got last time. I was considering backloading the last 2 weeks, but keep in mind I'm heading to Mexico mid Feb and I plan to stress the liver a little while there.....

I also have 5 vials, but one was opened with 150mg removed back in May when I ran my last cycle and had to stop. Not sure if I want to use that one or not, I would assume it's "compromised"??

^^ if you stored it I a cool dark place it should be fine! If anavar stressed your liver(did you run any NAC or other liver support)?

If not that would/could be the problem there... But if your planning on having some drinks etc then just stick to test and if your BF is low enough to see the results from var I'd consider that over the much more harsh orals...

**Alta** · 12-30-2015, 11:57 AM

It was stored in a case, in a dark cupboard at room temp. I'm a little more concerned with bacteria, any reason that it would be a concern?

I didn't run a liver support, no. I might pick up some cycle support or NAC from GNC, but I wasn't planning on it if I'm just running test. Maybe save the var for another time.

**NACH3** · 12-30-2015, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Alta

It was stored in a case, in a dark cupboard at room temp. I'm a little more concerned with bacteria, any reason that it would be a concern?

I didn't run a liver support, no. I might pick up some cycle support or NAC from GNC, but I wasn't planning on it if I'm just running test. Maybe save the var for another time.

You should still run some NAC even with injectables... Always run liver support(it's cheap and no reason not to)!

Yeah just save the var for another time! Run your test cycle and then you'll know what to do and run next time depending on goals! GL buddy!

Your gear should be fine... Just use your sterile procedures setting up etc - plus it contains BA which will kill any bacteria

**TheTaxMan** · 12-30-2015, 12:07 PM

Gear should be fine just wipe everything down thoroughly like the rubber part of the vial especialy

**Alta** · 12-30-2015, 12:12 PM

Thanks fellas. I just ordered come cycle support, will grab NAC at lunch today.

Aaaaaand away we go!!

**RigPig** · 12-30-2015, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Alta

Thanks fellas. I just ordered come cycle support, will grab NAC at lunch today. Aaaaaand away we go!!

NAC at about 1200mg/day on cycle and 600mg/day off cycle is good for the ol liver. Especially if you're gonna beat on it a bit in Mexico!

**applips** · 12-30-2015, 04:52 PM

Hey, have you tried Cialis before?

**marcus300** · 12-31-2015, 06:03 AM

SBC's can be ran by any level and not just for advanced bodybuilders, it all depends on the dosage used.

You don't have to stack when implementing a SBC and IMHO orals aren't a good choice anyway if you do.

SBC's can last from around 30 days to 6 weeks, often for clients and myself I leave the length of the cycle open and watch for the window to close when to stop the cycle, this IMHO is best way to run one because everyone is different.

Without a doubt a pre cycle prime needs to be a part of a SBC protocol, if you don't use one your just wasting and not benefiting the most out of the SBC and you might aswell do a standard cycle.

Cycle history is a great key to designing a SBC

Ive personally build far more tissue with less sides and maintainable gains with SBC's than any other way of cycling but they are not for everyone.

There is an art to designing a SBC regarding the prime, the training, the diet and compounds used. That's if you want to do what a lot of pro's do and reap the most out of one.