Starting first cycle

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 05:39 PM

I need some info on starting a stack I'm 52 5.10 200 I work out 5 days a week and sometimes I get in 6 I'm on test now 300 mg.a week .I want to start Eq.400 mg and 50mg of avanar..a day what's your guys thoughts on this I never did a stack before thank you in advance

**Trapology** · 12-30-2015, 06:13 PM

What are your goals?

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 06:55 PM

I'm in the bulking stage right now I'm taking only 300mg.of test come Feb I want to lean out controlling calorie intake and not losing muscle mass

**Bio-Active** · 12-30-2015, 06:58 PM

What is your cycle experience?

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 07:04 PM

Never cycle before

**Bio-Active** · 12-30-2015, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ciosa

Never cycle before

No reason to run eq just run test 10-12 weeks are you planning to run pct or are you on trt?

**Trapology** · 12-30-2015, 07:06 PM

As you will probably hear many times if you wanna lean out you just need to fix up your diet and do some cardio. Youre already on a decent amount of test. Theres no reason to add anything else imo

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 07:10 PM

No I'm trt

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 07:12 PM

My diet is on point ..now cardiovascular I have to work on

**Bio-Active** · 12-30-2015, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ciosa

No I'm trt

I wouldn't ad eq as its known to raise your crit level. I would either up the test dose or add a different compound

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 07:16 PM

Which one

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 07:16 PM

What's crit?

**Bio-Active** · 12-30-2015, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ciosa

Which one

I would up the test to 500 mg ew. Run an AI as well

**Ciosa** · 12-30-2015, 07:28 PM

I'm sorry I don't know what's Al

**LeanBren** · 12-30-2015, 07:55 PM

AI = Aromatise Inhibitor

This is taken from another members post on another thread:

AI:
Femara, (letrozole tablets) for oral administration contain 2.5 mg of
letrozole, a non********* aromatase inhibitor (inhibitor of estrogen
synthesis). Letrozole is a non********* competitive inhibitor of the
aromatase enzyme system; it inhibits the conversion of androgens to
estrogens.

Cytadren , (aminoglutethimide) at moderate doses, is a fairly effective inhibitor of aromatase and a weak inhibitor of desmolase (an enzyme needed for the
production of all steroids ), and at higher doses becomes an effective
inhibitor of desmolase. It is therefore useful when using aromatizable
steroids, though it is not the drug of choice for this purpose.

Aromasin , tablets for oral administration contain 25 mg of exemestane,
an irreversible, ********* aromatase inactivator. Exemestane is
chemically described as 6-methylenandrosta-1,4-diene-3,17 -dione.

Anastrozole,(Arimidex ) is the aromatase inhibitor of choice. The drug
is appropriately used when using substantial amounts of aromatizing
steroids, or when one is prone to gynecomastia and using moderate
amounts of such steroids. It is manufactured by Zenica Pharmaceuticals
and was approved for use in the United States at the end of Dec 1995.

Proviron , is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the
aromatization of steroids. Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only
blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents
the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water
retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses
the forming of estrogens no re-bound effect occurs.

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Armidex and Aromasin are some of the more popular, widely used AI's. With a lower dose cycle, or even bumping up to 500 wkly if that's your choice, armidex and aro are great choices. Personally for me, Aromasin, which will completely stop the conversion of androgens to estrogen. Its considered a "suicidal AI"

Armidex - worked better FOR ME. I was noticing I felt tired all the time. I was getting bloated.. Holding more water than I should have. I would sweat through my sheets at night. Brake outs were awful. .5 mg Armidex EOD and all that stopped. Like seriously.

AI is highly considerable if you increase your Test weekly.

**Bio-Active** · 12-30-2015, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ciosa

I'm sorry I don't know what's Al

aromasin or arimidex

**OdinsOtherSon** · 12-30-2015, 08:33 PM

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**kelkel** · 12-30-2015, 08:52 PM

Before you do anything you need to get some solid blood work. Not knowing what some of these simple terms refer to (AI, Hematocrit) show that you seriously need to educate yourself before you hurt yourself. 300 mgs per week is not TRT, it's a low dose cycle. Even hyper-excreters rarely need that much. At 300 mgs per week and no AI I'd imagine your E2 is through the roof. Not to mention the health issues involved in elevated hemoglobin and hematocrit.

In the Finding A Doc sticky thread in the HRT Forum is a list of BW. Look at the second one, just eliminate LH & FSH.

**Bio-Active** · 12-30-2015, 09:01 PM

I believing he is blasting at 300 ?

**kelkel** · 12-30-2015, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

I believing he is blasting at 300 ?

Ahh, I re-read it and you are correct. Then everything still stands except the TRT comment.

**reporich** · 12-31-2015, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Bio-Active

I would up the test to 500 mg ew. Run an AI as well

What he said!

**Ciosa** · 12-31-2015, 05:32 PM

I had blood work done begging of Oct and my test levels were at 80 as a matter of fact the doctor did a second test because he thought it was wrong ..when the second test came back it was the same ...my question is do you think I still need to take Al.while I'm on 300mg.a week thanks

**kelkel** · 12-31-2015, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Ciosa

I had blood work done begging of Oct and my test levels were at 80 as a matter of fact the doctor did a second test because he thought it was wrong ..when the second test came back it was the same ...my question is do you think I still need to take Al.while I'm on 300mg.a week thanks

Yes, you'll need an AI on 300 mgs of T. You should pull BW to see exactly where you're at. It's how you learn what YOU exactly need.
Why, if on TRT were your T levels at 80? Assuming you're in the states with a normal range of 348 - 1197 or so...

**Ciosa** · 12-31-2015, 05:44 PM

No my total t. level was 80 that's why the doctor started me on trt.I have a Bw.schedule for the end of January..my t. levels were that low......

**Ciosa** · 12-31-2015, 05:47 PM

I don't know where my levels are now because I have to get B.W. done later this month ...I don't plan on starting any cycle until I know where I'm at ..some- time in Feb

**kelkel** · 12-31-2015, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ciosa

No my total t. level was 80 that's why the doctor started me on trt.I have a Bw.schedule for the end of January..my t. levels were that low......

What did he say the cause was? Or did he just band aid it with TRT? When levels get dramatically low there's a reason for it.

**Ciosa** · 12-31-2015, 07:51 PM

He did some tests all came back ok.he thinks it was from stress had a lot of shut going on in my life for a couple of years .long story

**kelkel** · 12-31-2015, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ciosa

He did some tests all came back ok.he thinks it was from stress had a lot of shut going on in my life for a couple of years .long story

Stress / cortisol, etc can impact T levels but not to that extent. I'd be trying to get a copy of my pre-TRT blood work for a closer examination. It would drive me nuts not knowing exactly why. Yes, as we age our T diminishes but to be that low at your age without an underlying issue would be a surprise to me.

**Ciosa** · 01-04-2016, 04:36 PM

I'm going to start Al.tomorrow 12.5.mg.eod.what do you think....I have blood work on Jan 24 scheduled..do you think I should wait. I have been on 300mg.a week of test cip.for 8 weeks now...thanks for the help.

**Okstate31** · 01-04-2016, 07:45 PM

Hey guys, my appologies for butting in on a conversation, but im new to this site and im still working on figuring this site out. Im 22 years old, 6'5" 250. I recently lost 60 pounds, and now im looking to cut up. I have been researching and talking with a good buddy on some supps. Im looking to start a cycle of Winny, Mast, and Test. Just wondering if this would be suitable. Im not looking to add any more weight, but just to cut up what i already have. Any help would be appreciated!

**DeadlyD** · 01-04-2016, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Okstate31

Hey guys, my appologies for butting in on a conversation, but im new to this site and im still working on figuring this site out. Im 22 years old, 6'5" 250. I recently lost 60 pounds, and now im looking to cut up. I have been researching and talking with a good buddy on some supps. Im looking to start a cycle of Winny, Mast, and Test. Just wondering if this would be suitable. Im not looking to add any more weight, but just to cut up what i already have. Any help would be appreciated!

Please start your own thread and don't forget to read all the stickies before posting.

**Okstate31** · 01-05-2016, 06:05 PM

Sorry about that. How do you start a thread?

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