3rd week first cycle - Running into Problems - Cold, Joint, Body Fat Issues

[DrRoid]

Hi guys, these are the facts:

• 7% BF (bodpod result)
• blood work done
• 500mg test e 3.5 days + 500iu HCG / week + 12.5 aromasin

• 1. week: not so much difference, only extreme pumps, but I guess that came from the kcals, which I increased from 2300 to 3500 !
• 2. week: same as week 1, increased energy and mood.
• 3. week: catched a cold !

Now 6 days without working out, still at 3000kcal, weak feeling and BF went up at about 11%

Side Effects:

• Joints hurt ! shoulder, elbow, wrist, eventhough no work out was done (maybe its because of the cold ?)
• blood pressure is abit too high, systolic pressure is at 143 - 145, dia is normal ...

The plan is to start training in 2 days again, what to do then ?

• Cutting ? To lower BF again ? (My goal is still a lean bulk)
• Dropping the weights due to joint problems ? I know that the test can kill the collagen synthesis.
• What about the real kick of test ? Will it come in week 4 or 5 or maybe never ?

Thanks.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

couple of things....

you have not gained 4% bodyfat
Assuming you were 200lbs to start and didn't lose any muscle....
you would have to have gained over 12lbs of fat in 3 weeks.
4lbs/week of fat gain would require 4*3500/7=2000 excess calories a day.

Bod Pods aren't the most accurate IMHO

Secondly, if you are trying to lean bulk...
why on earth did you increase your diet by 1200 calories a day?

How about some stats???
age, height, weight, etc...

[DrRoid]

5 ft 11 in / 180 cm
190 lbs/ 86kg

Measured at the bodpod day. Yea I know its not accurate, but it must have been somewhere below 10% BF.

I just assumed a TDEE of 2500kcal, +500kcal for workout = 3000 kcal. + 500kcal for the lean bulk

I had two blood tests before, both have shown that my TSH levels are too high (not even borderline), which was caused by my harsh diet I guess, that totally broke my metabolism (cutting for more than 2 month at 2000kcal, never had real re-feeds, now I am smarter...)

I started the cycle at 86kg, today morning I was close to 91kg.

Somehow I look more dense or full. I guess most of it is water due to more carbs ? Shall I reduce or keep the kcal ?

[charger69]

5 ft 11 in / 180 cm 190 lbs/ 86kg Measured at the bodpod day. Yea I know its not accurate, but it must have been somewhere below 10% BF. I just assumed a TDEE of 2500kcal, +500kcal for workout = 3000 kcal. + 500kcal for the lean bulk I had two blood tests before, both have shown that my TSH levels are too high (not even borderline), which was caused by my harsh diet I guess, that totally broke my metabolism (cutting for more than 2 month at 2000kcal, never had real re-feeds, now I am smarter...) I started the cycle at 86kg, today morning I was close to 91kg. Somehow I look more dense or full. I guess most of it is water due to more carbs ? Shall I reduce or keep the kcal ?

Without seeing pics, i would say that the 7% is not correct. I would expect approx 13-15% unless you have very big muscles. I am not a diet expert like others here, but i go a little higher with an additional 1000 kcal. The important part is the macronutrient makeup and any cardio that you may do. I had to cut back on my cardio to get the results that I would like. I am still trying to dial it in.

[TheTaxMan]

I hope your running an AI?

[DrRoid]

As I said, 3 weeks in cycle, went up to 91kg (190 lbs to 200 lbs)

Shall I cut or keep the 3500kcal ?

If I extrapolate this weight gain I should end up at over 100kg (220lbs) at the of of 15weeks ? :O


Of course AI included: 12.5mg Aromasin ED

[Ciosa]

It's the amidex.get off it and get on aromisn.the amidex will kill your joints

[Bio-Active]

It's the amidex.get off it and get on aromisn.the amidex will kill your joints

he already said he is taking 12.5 mg of aromasin Ed

[Bonaparte]

You're really overthinking this. Just keep eating 500 cals over maintenance to lean bulk.
Your joints ache because you have the flu. And you did not gain 4% BF. You're probably (still) around 9-10% BF.

You just don't look as good because you've been sick.

[Juced_porkchop]

It's the amidex.get off it and get on aromisn.the amidex will kill your joints

dex is optiman and easy to dose and wont kill joints if your using it right. 0.25-0.5mg eod is good for most.
people say the same abotu letro and its from using too much and/or upping dose too fast. i use it as my main AI.

your sick then rest till you feel better and stick to the plan. water lb's will come and go day to day.

[DrRoid]

Ok thanks guys Trained the last two days and feel better, got really hard pump in my arms.

However, the feeling of the test e is missing 3 weeks into cycle now ....
I read that people got really strong and massive gains in first cycle, when will this happen ???