My first Tren cycle. A few questions

**nycdave** · 02-14-2016, 07:26 PM

Started my first Tren /Test cycle Jan 24. The specifics:
- 400 mg Tren E weekly
- 250 mg Test Cyp weekly
- .5 mg Arimidex ED
- .5 mg Prami ED
- HCG 3x per week

As I was warned in this forum last year, the side effects of tren are real:
- Insomnia occurred the night of the first pin on Jan 24 and has continued steady. I am taking Ambien as needed
- Heartburn started after second week, started Prilosec last week
- Tren cough comes after about 1/2 pins. I heat the gear and inject slowly which has seemed to help
- Night sweats are not terrible so far but I have them.

My questions:
- Are my doses appropriate? So far I have a weight gain of 3 lbs and a small strength increase, but no other positive impact.
- I am gyno-prone. Is taking Arimidex daily a wise move? So far no lumps (yes!).
- Does the insomnia fade at some point in the cycle normally?

I'm 49 yrs old with solid training experience. 5'9 and 183 lbs approx.

**SuperNova93** · 02-14-2016, 09:29 PM

for only 250mg of test weekly, .5mg of dex ed seems like a little bit too much. Have you already tried .25mg ed?

**Bio-Active** · 02-14-2016, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by nycdave

Started my first Tren/Test cycle Jan 24. The specifics: - 400 mg Tren E weekly - 250 mg Test Cyp weekly - .5 mg Arimidex ED - .5 mg Prami ED - HCG 3x per week As I was warned in this forum last year, the side effects of tren are real: - Insomnia occurred the night of the first pin on Jan 24 and has continued steady. I am taking Ambien as needed - Heartburn started after second week, started Prilosec last week - Tren cough comes after about 1/2 pins. I heat the gear and inject slowly which has seemed to help - Night sweats are not terrible so far but I have them. My questions: - Are my doses appropriate? So far I have a weight gain of 3 lbs and a small strength increase, but no other positive impact. - I am gyno-prone. Is taking Arimidex daily a wise move? So far no lumps (yes!). - Does the insomnia fade at some point in the cycle normally? I'm 49 yrs old with solid training experience. 5'9 and 183 lbs approx.

I would cut the dex in half your prami might be a bit on the high side too. What does hcg 3 x ew mean?

**nycdave** · 02-14-2016, 10:05 PM

I have not tried .25 mg of arimidex each day. Started the cycle at .5 since I am so gyno prone. But I could easily lower that dose

I take 100 iu of HCG three days per week (Mon, Wed and Fri).

**charger69** · 02-14-2016, 11:33 PM

I would reccomend .25 arimidex and 250 mcg 2x week.

**charger69** · 02-14-2016, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

I would reccomend .25 arimidex and 250 mcg 2x week.

250 iu.

**Back In Black** · 02-15-2016, 01:54 AM

I would recommend half that tren dose for a first tren run. You think you have side effects after 3 weeks? Every chance they will get worse in the next few weeks.

**TheTaxMan** · 02-15-2016, 03:05 AM

That is a lot of tren for a first run, i only used 200mg tren e per week and felt some slight side effects you mentioned about 4/5 weeks in

My second tren run is coming up and i will only be using 300mg per week.

I agree with BIB, you dont need 400mg on your first go, be careful

**nycdave** · 02-15-2016, 08:45 AM

If I lower the Adex dose to .25 per day do you think that is more than enough to keep gyno away? Does too high an Adex dose hurt gains?

Once I get lumps I have to use Letro to shrink/eliminate them which kills any cycle gains for me and makes me feel like death.

I can easily lower the tren dose. Wasn't sure of the amount to go with in my case. Thank you for the help fellas as always.

**TheTaxMan** · 02-15-2016, 08:49 AM

Its all guessing with out bloods, you would start at 0.25 and get mid cycle blood work and adjust e2 from there

But with that 400mg of tren per week id be tempted to go woth 0.5 adex

**SuperNova93** · 02-15-2016, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Its all guessing with out bloods, you would start at 0.25 and get mid cycle blood work and adjust e2 from there

But with that 400mg of tren per week id be tempted to go woth 0.5 adex

He's already taking prami at .5mg ED though. Would he still need .5 adex as well with the prolactin under control???

**TheTaxMan** · 02-15-2016, 01:50 PM

I would just use the adex, didnt realise he was running both

**Juced_porkchop** · 02-15-2016, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by nycdave

Started my first Tren /Test cycle Jan 24. The specifics:
- 400 mg Tren E weekly
- 250 mg Test Cyp weekly
- .5 mg Arimidex ED
- .5 mg Prami ED
- HCG 3x per week

As I was warned in this forum last year, the side effects of tren are real:
- Insomnia occurred the night of the first pin on Jan 24 and has continued steady. I am taking Ambien as needed
- Heartburn started after second week, started Prilosec last week
- Tren cough comes after about 1/2 pins. I heat the gear and inject slowly which has seemed to help
- Night sweats are not terrible so far but I have them.

My questions:
- Are my doses appropriate? So far I have a weight gain of 3 lbs and a small strength increase, but no other positive impact.
- I am gyno-prone. Is taking Arimidex daily a wise move? So far no lumps (yes!).
- Does the insomnia fade at some point in the cycle normally?

I'm 49 yrs old with solid training experience. 5'9 and 183 lbs approx.

sleeping issues and sweats get worse as you go on. i would rec trying just 200mg or 300mg ew IMO. i wont pass 400mg trene ew and i have done alot of cycles.

**Juced_porkchop** · 02-15-2016, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by SuperNova93

He's already taking prami at .5mg ED though. Would he still need .5 adex as well with the prolactin under control???

AI during cycle, prami on hand if needed IMO

**SuperNova93** · 02-15-2016, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

AI during cycle, prami on hand if needed IMO

good to know for the future!

**SRL_HEC** · 02-15-2016, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

AI during cycle, prami on hand if needed IMO

Just throwing this out there, but I agree with taking prami at the beginning because it helps prevent the deca /tren dick. Not to mention it helps with sleep too. Also, I agree with what others have said and would take that dosage of Tren down to 200 or 300mg a week. But if you are going to continue the 400mg a week, then I agree with TheTaxMan about keeping the arimdex at /5mg if you are gyno prone and know that for sure. Just my .02 (and I'm by no means an expert).

**nycdave** · 02-15-2016, 07:17 PM

Just completed a back workout. I mentioned in my original post that I have seen no positive results.

Scratch that. Strength in all exercises was up and I was not well rested. Very pleased. Hopefully continues.

Will drop the tren dose with my next pin. The adex is tough. I really feel like I need to keep the dose high especially if I eliminate the prami. Thoughts?

**NACH3** · 02-15-2016, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by nycdave

Just completed a back workout. I mentioned in my original post that I have seen no positive results.

Scratch that. Strength in all exercises was up and I was not well rested. Very pleased. Hopefully continues.

Will drop the tren dose with my next pin. The adex is tough. I really feel like I need to keep the dose high especially if I eliminate the prami. Thoughts?

Stop using letro(it doesn't rid gyno - only SERMs can if caught in time but can be controlled w/them)... Why wouldn't you run nolvadex at 10mgs Ed to keep gyno at bay when on cycle... You did this last time with good results w/deca ... Your dex is high get BW and adjust your prami and AI - your just guessing and gyno is the least of your problems at this point...

**nycdave** · 02-15-2016, 09:31 PM

Thank you for the suggestion. I tried adex instead of nolvadex as this seemed to be what this board suggested as well as others. I can certainly switch to nolvadex

I now live in Mass so blood work is not possible without an RX. Unless someone is aware of a way around this rule? To get blood work done in a neighboring state which allows BW without an RX you need a state ID from that State.

I certainly don't know everything which is why I asked questions. As always I appreciate everyone's assistance.

**NACH3** · 02-15-2016, 10:20 PM

Nolvadex in conjunction with your AI(should've been more clear) Always run an AI a SERM is only for a gyni flare up or PCT(which you don't have to worry about) just return to normal TRT dose... So dex + 10mgs of nolvadex - isn't that what you did last cycle w/the Deca ?

**nycdave** · 02-16-2016, 04:40 AM

I only took the nolvadex when running the deca . I didn't include adex.

I have nolvadex on hand and can easily add it to the adex. Should I reduce the adex dose down to .25 ed ? Thank you for allowing me to tap into your expertise!

**nycdave** · 05-14-2016, 06:25 PM

Finished the cycle discussed above a few weeks ago and wanted to report back that my finishing weight was 191. Pleased with the gains on 250mg of tren E per week (which was lowered from 400 per suggestions here).

- will definitely try tren again. While I experienced sides the gyno issues faded as did the insomnia.

Thank you for all your help. I have BW on May 16 to see where levels are but I feel great. Have dropped about 6 lbs since finishing but strength gains remain. Appreciate your expertise!