help decide with aas order input guys please

**leanmachine6** · 02-16-2016, 02:29 PM

so going to start a cycle in a couple of weeks, going to keep it short & sweet at a higher dosage as i want to try this SBC ! what do you guys think about using long esters on these ? perhaps planning on running sustanon 250/ml and trenbolone enanthate 200/ml and would run 1ml of each EOD for 40 days as i would get 20 amps of each. used tren e before at 400mg a week no problems also respond to test very well. or with SBC should it ideally be fast acting like prop & tren ace? also would i perhaps be better off swaping my tren e with tren ace to run with the sustanon ? would those dosages be good enough for a SBC too ?

**TheTaxMan** · 02-17-2016, 04:09 AM

Short burst cycles are like 6 weeks on average
So why would you want to run long esteres?

**krugerr** · 02-17-2016, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by leanmachine6

so going to start a cycle in a couple of weeks, going to keep it short & sweet at a higher dosage as i want to try this SBC ! what do you guys think about using long esters on these ? perhaps planning on running sustanon 250/ml and trenbolone enanthate 200/ml and would run 1ml of each EOD for 40 days as i would get 20 amps of each. used tren e before at 400mg a week no problems also respond to test very well. or with SBC should it ideally be fast acting like prop & tren ace? also would i perhaps be better off swaping my tren e with tren ace to run with the sustanon ? would those dosages be good enough for a SBC too ?

Dont use blends as a general rule I stick by. Get Prop or Enanthate /Cypionate .

You can use Longer esters on SBC, but you need to frontload these. You proposed cycle is 700mg Tren per week, and 875mg Test per week, (1ml EOD of each). What is your previous cycle history? Whats your previous dosages?

Off the bat, I would suggest you swap the Sustanon for Enanthate/Cypionate. The strength of these is higher than Prop/Ace so less overall volume for injecting. I would frontload the cycle on the first week. Those doses are quite moderate for a first SBC.

Have you primed?

**leanmachine6** · 02-17-2016, 10:32 AM

i dont like blends either, preveous cycle was 800mg test with 400mg tren . with front loading shall i pin 1ml everyday for the first 4 days or something then take it back to eod ?

**krugerr** · 02-17-2016, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by leanmachine6

i dont like blends either, preveous cycle was 800mg test with 400mg tren. with front loading shall i pin 1ml everyday for the first 4 days or something then take it back to eod ?

Typically to front load, you want to double the dose in first week, then revert to normal dose for the remaining weeks. If you use long esters anyway.

**NACH3** · 02-17-2016, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by leanmachine6

i dont like blends either, preveous cycle was 800mg test with 400mg tren. with front loading shall i pin 1ml everyday for the first 4 days or something then take it back to eod ?

If your running say 1g of test/wk(long esters are fine w/SBC) most stick to what ester they have best results with... However if running a G a wk... After your first wk if only pinning 1g you wil only have built up to 500ngs/in that wk! Frontload the test(either E or C) 2g in first wk... Thus your blood serum levels will be at 1g after the first wk(that's what frontloading is and I do believe in frontloading any esters if you can)... Some think it's a waste of time but it's not... Works very well imo...

So that ^ above is just an example... If you've ran 800as your highest go maybe 900 or if you feel comfortable do what you think is best - however, running long esters(tren e you will be locked into a heavier cycle which could cause some problems and you'd have to wait 2wks to let it clear(id switch over to test p b4 pct starts imho... So your not extending your clearing process - you need to time this right though! Lots of variables to consider!

**NACH3** · 02-17-2016, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by krugerr

Typically to front load, you want to double the dose in first week, then revert to normal dose for the remaining weeks. If you use long esters anyway.

Bastad I was explaining that lmao

**NACH3** · 02-17-2016, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by krugerr

Dont use blends as a general rule I stick by. Get Prop or Enanthate /Cypionate .

You can use Longer esters on SBC, but you need to frontload these. You proposed cycle is 700mg Tren per week, and 875mg Test per week, (1ml EOD of each). What is your previous cycle history? Whats your previous dosages?

Off the bat, I would suggest you swap the Sustanon for Enanthate/Cypionate. The strength of these is higher than Prop/Ace so less overall volume for injecting. I would frontload the cycle on the first week. Those doses are quite moderate for a first SBC.

Have you primed?

He isn't ready for tren @ 700+ msg/wk - that's something I may run on a SBC w/tren... It's all based off of your cycle experience not others!

**NACH3** · 02-17-2016, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Short burst cycles are like 6 weeks on average
So why would you want to run long esteres?

Long esters peak at about 72hrs so the kick in time isn't necessarily slower it's more the half life dropping in 7 days what causes less build up if not frontloaded...

**leanmachine6** · 02-17-2016, 10:54 AM

cheers guys, so if i was to just double up the dosage and go with every day shots first 4 days that would work then right ?

**krugerr** · 02-17-2016, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

He isn't ready for tren @ 700+ msg/wk - that's something I may run on a SBC w/tren... It's all based off of your cycle experience not others!

I gleamed those dosages from the OP. He said about doing 1ml EOD, which is how I calculated that. I didnt suggest he was ready for such things, and did ask for cycle history! :P

Well spotted though, if i was misleading. OP, you need to confirm your cycle history.

**krugerr** · 02-17-2016, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by leanmachine6

cheers guys, so if i was to just double up the dosage and go with every day shots first 4 days that would work then right ?

Frontloading: Double the dosage on week 1, then revert to normal dosage thereafter.

Example of 500mg test: You'd usually do 250mg on a monday, and 250mg on a thursday, to even the injections out.
With frontloading, on week 1 you would do 500mg Monday, and 500mg on thursday. Then on week 2 revert to the 250mg 2xweek.