2nd Cycle: Test E, Anavar, Dbol

[BilluBarber]

I am a 24 year old male and I have been lifting strong for about 2.5 years now. I am 5'10 and I weigh 194lb. This will be my second anabolic cycle, my first was a basic 500mg test cycle for 12 weeks with HCG and aromasin and a PCT of Clomed and Nolvadex. I think I have developed mild gyno from my first cycle and I think this is because I was only taking 12.5mg of aromasin, I think I should've taken 25mg every day to supress my estrogen levels.
First Test E cycle
1-12 Test E 500mg/week
1-12 HCG 500iu/week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg/ed
PCT
1-4 Clomed 50/50/50/50
1-4 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

It has been 19 weeks since my pct has been completed and I am eager to start my second cycle! I hope to run three compounds: two orals with a base of testosterone enanthate. This is my proposed cycle.
Second Cycle
1-10 Test E 500mg/week
1-4 Dbol 30mg/ed
1-4 Nolvadex 20mg/ed <---- I read and found out that aromasin disrupts dbol
5-10 Anavar 40mg/ed
5-10 Aromasin 25mg/ed
PCT
1-4 Nolva 40/40/20/20
1-4 Clomed 50/50/50/50

I did get minor gyno from my first cycle so thats why I want some criticism on this cycle. Am I under dosing aromasin? And should I even take Dbol? I just don't want bitch tits. Feedback will be greatly appreciated!

[73rr]

Shouldn't take two orals on a cycle. Even if it's back to back and not together.

U will need to play with the aromasin to see what your body needs. (I would assume 25mg would be ok)

I believe some ppl us a small amount of nolva to fight gyno.

Above statement might be better answered by someone who has had your same problem.

[kelkel]

You should be addressing the gyno issue before initiating another cycle.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-reversal.html

[kallmenelly]

Why can't you run 2 different Orals cutting half way through the cycle? My cycle is a 4week test e, tbol cycle then switch the last 4 weeks to test p anavar cycle.

Why is this bad?

[73rr]

Orals are really taxing on your body. This is why we run short cycles of them. If u take let's say dBall for 4 weeks and then var for another 4 weeks.

That would be 8 weeks of extremely taxing your liver and other body parts.

[BilluBarber]

Bump. I would love more feedback and criticism from you guys that are viewing this! A little more knowledge never hurt anybody!

[somewhatjacked]

If your bf is high, anavar won't be effective. Also, it will be hard to control excessive estrogen - which will lead to gyno.

Are you planning to do bloodwork?

I remember reading it here - someone ended up in a hospital because he ran oral for 10 weeks.

[BilluBarber]

If your bf is high, anavar won't be effective. Also, it will be hard to control excessive estrogen - which will lead to gyno.

Are you planning to do bloodwork?

I remember reading it here - someone ended up in a hospital because he ran oral for 10 weeks.

Blood work is a must! Im for sure going to drop one of my two orals, I have not decided which one yet. I don't want to tax my liver too a point it harms my health. Most likely Dbol because of its aromatizing affects. I think with 25 mg of aromasin and with nolva on hand I should be able to beat gyno's ass this time. I have 16-18% Body fat, I have to get that checked again for up-to-date information. Will anavar still suit me? This cycle I hope to gain crazy mass and I don't want to bloat and look like the michelin man.

[TheTaxMan]

I think anavar would be a waste just using it for 4 or 5 weeks, best going for 8 weeks with anavar

Not that ive used it myself but that seems the general length for most people.

Its your second cycle, chose dbol or anavar, not both.

[Back In Black]

Why can't you run 2 different Orals cutting half way through the cycle? My cycle is a 4week test e, tbol cycle then switch the last 4 weeks to test p anavar cycle.

Why is this bad?

Do you have a thread with this cycle? I don't understand why you would switch from test e to test p after 4 weeks, just run test P for 8 weeks.

OP, run test only again. If you don't know how to control one compound without side effects there is no point adding another until you can. Then you can more easily deal with any side effects caused by that second compound.

[Bodacious]

Anavar isn't going to do anything for you if your BF is on the higher end just a heads up. Also I would just choose one and go with it.

[somewhatjacked]

Based on my readings, its not recommended to bulk at 18% bf. Even test will aromatize especially because you want to bulk up = more food = more fat (not all the time, but I am saying this in your case coz you are already at 16-18%)

Aromatase (found in adipose tissue - fat) is responsible for the aromatization of androgens (test and dbol) into estrogens (yes i used wiki as a source - lol). You already have gyno so not sure if its a good idea to go down this path.

Senior members already mentioned anavar won't work and dbol (which is mostly water weight) is asking for gyno troubles.

PS: i am laughing at myself as I type this. I am around 15% bf with a history of gyno. And I want to do the exact same thing as you - lol.

Blood work is a must! Im for sure going to drop one of my two orals, I have not decided which one yet. I don't want to tax my liver too a point it harms my health. Most likely Dbol because of its aromatizing affects. I think with 25 mg of aromasin and with nolva on hand I should be able to beat gyno's ass this time. I have 16-18% Body fat, I have to get that checked again for up-to-date information. Will anavar still suit me? This cycle I hope to gain crazy mass and I don't want to bloat and look like the michelin man.

[BilluBarber]

Based on my readings, its not recommended to bulk at 18% bf. Even test will aromatize especially because you want to bulk up = more food = more fat (not all the time, but I am saying this in your case coz you are already at 16-18%)

Aromatase (found in adipose tissue - fat) is responsible for the aromatization of androgens (test and dbol) into estrogens (yes i used wiki as a source - lol). You already have gyno so not sure if its a good idea to go down this path.

Senior members already mentioned anavar won't work and dbol (which is mostly water weight) is asking for gyno troubles.

PS: i am laughing at myself as I type this. I am around 15% bf with a history of gyno. And I want to do the exact same thing as you - lol.

Understood. I just want to do more than a basic Test E cycle. Do you think Tbol would be better in my case? Or just the simple Test E cycle.

[kelkel]

I just want to do more than a basic Test E cycle. Do you think Tbol would be better in my case? Or just the simple Test E cycle.

Awful stubborn Billu. But at least you'll have nice tits!


JK. Some good advice from the guys above. Be patient as quality gains come slowly. Rushing things only leads to problems. Nail down your nutrition and training.

[BilluBarber]

Awful stubborn Billu. But at least you'll have nice tits!


JK. Some good advice from the guys above. Be patient as quality gains come slowly. Rushing things only leads to problems. Nail down your nutrition and training.

Understood Kelkel! Ill plan everything out and nail down my nutrition and training! I won't rush it. Ill stick to Test E only as for my second cycle.

[Baxter35]

Nothing at all wrong with "basic" test only cycles. I've yet to do anything but test and still feel I make good progress with it. As Kel said, focus on diet and training and a lot can be gained on test alone, no need to complicate things too soon. Are you sure you definitely have gyno btw? Many guys mistake itchy or puffy nipples as gyno when it isn't is why I ask.

[kelkel]

Understood Kelkel! Ill plan everything out and nail down my nutrition and training! I won't rush it. Ill stick to Test E only as for my second cycle.

Good man Billu. Don't fall into the thought process that the only way to make progress is to continually do more. Like Baxter said, nothing wrong with test only cycles. I've been in this game longer than you've been alive and I still frequently do test only cycles. They simply work.

[BilluBarber]

Nothing at all wrong with "basic" test only cycles. I've yet to do anything but test and still feel I make good progress with it. As Kel said, focus on diet and training and a lot can be gained on test alone, no need to complicate things too soon. Are you sure you definitely have gyno btw? Many guys mistake itchy or puffy nipples as gyno when it isn't is why I ask.

I definitely feel a small amount of something under both nipples, its like a ring of fat or tissue. I honestly don't know if this is gyno or fat because my nipples never itched or got sore on cycle. I just don't know.