Looking for some answers before first cycle

**L8JM** · 02-25-2016, 09:07 AM

FINALLY LET ME POST haha..
Hey guys, I am about to pic up what has been recommended to me by a friend with some experience, but I wanted to get some different advice from you guys after I spent some time reading the forums. Everyone sounds very knowledgeable!
I am ready to start my first cycle. Here's a bit about myself: I am a 27 year old male, 6'4" 212lbs, haven't checked my BF% since 2012, but assume its relatively low..picture above^ (ectomorph that has lots of trouble gaining size). (10+ years in sports and weight training) I am a Certified Athletic Therapist and Strength and Conditioning Specialist and was sort of against steroids until I really looked into the pro's vs. con's and believe if done properly it can benefit me greatly.
This is what I've been told to get:
Test-Ent, Turinabol , Clomid and Nolvadex .
After reading up on some of the articles I've learned this so far for a first time cycle:

Test-Enth - Week 1-12 250mg/dose x2 per week (I've also read to only do 8 weeks of Test?)
Turinabol - I am hesitant with purchasing this, after reading to only use Test on its own, first cycle??

Clomid - Week 14-18 75mg/50/50/50 (week 14 if I do a 12 week cycle of Test, unless told 8w is better)
Nolvadex - Week 14-18 40mg/20/20/20

So I guess my questions are:
1. Should I do 8 or 12 weeks of Test?
2. Should I not bother getting the Turinabol?
3. Do those dosages look right for a first cycle?
4. Should I get an hcG or AI (Arimidex ) to use in the first 12 weeks alongside Test or will Test on its own be okay?
5. Any other suggestions (or products) to keep a good chemical balance/ stay healthy in the long run (other than a good diet)
Thanks a lot for your time, I'm looking forward to get this started.

**73rr** · 02-25-2016, 11:37 AM

12 weeks (test e is a long ester)

Drop the turinabol , u won't need it. Always start small and through your cycle history slowly add different gear. It will save u the head ache of trying to figure out what's doing what.

Dosage looks good to me.

100 percent get a ai. Hcg is recommended and we'll worth taking. It will help alot in recovery. Take it up to 2 days before pct.

Only other thing I can think of recommending at this time is blood work. Before, middle, and after.

**bobtail** · 02-25-2016, 11:59 AM

X2 on dropping the turinabol . You have plenty of time to play with that later.

250 test x 2 per week is perfect. You will gain a good bit if diet and routine is in check.

x2 on the blood work. That's the only way to know if what your doing is working (or your gear is any good)

How long to run? I would run 8 weeks and then see how you recover. That's plenty of time to gain significant muscle.

Enjoy your first cycle. Think of your first cycle like newbie gains when you started lifting. Ride it for all it's worth!

**L8JM** · 02-25-2016, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by 73rr

12 weeks (test e is a long ester)

Drop the turinabol , u won't need it. Always start small and through your cycle history slowly add different gear. It will save u the head ache of trying to figure out what's doing what.

Dosage looks good to me.

100 percent get a ai. Hcg is recommended and we'll worth taking. It will help alot in recovery. Take it up to 2 days before pct.

Only other thing I can think of recommending at this time is blood work. Before, middle, and after.

Okay thanks a lot! So should I get Arimidex or HcG to run with Test? or are they the same thing/ different name?

**Mr.BB** · 02-25-2016, 12:24 PM

Think you should read this: My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**L8JM** · 02-25-2016, 12:28 PM

Yea I read that, thanks! It was an awesome read! I just had these couple questions that I couldn't answer after the read.
That article should be a must read before anyone signs up.

**TheTaxMan** · 02-25-2016, 12:43 PM

Test e only
Id go 10 or 12 weeks (i prefer 12)
Run HCG and an AI on cycle
Run NAC for liver support

Make sure you have everything including PCT before you start, if your supplier gets out of stock half way through your cycle or when your about to start PCT your fvcked so get everything ready before hand

**L8JM** · 02-25-2016, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Test e only
Id go 10 or 12 weeks (i prefer 12)
Run HCG and an AI on cycle
Run NAC for liver support

Make sure you have everything including PCT before you start, if your supplier gets out of stock half way through your cycle or when your about to start PCT your fvcked so get everything ready before hand

Okay, thanks!! I appreciate it. Are the HcG and AI and NACs orals with standard dosages? ..If I get them will it be straight forward how much to take.. like ex; 1 pill each per day during first 12 weeks?

**DROY** · 02-25-2016, 01:31 PM

The HCG is to prevent the little guys from shrinking which makes for an easier PCT, dosed at 250iu (pin subq) twice per week, and the AI is to prevent estrogen build up at .25mg (pill) every second day. Blood work will tell you if you have to adjust the AI. NAC is a pill to provide liver support. As already mentioned have everything you need on hand before starting.

**73rr** · 02-25-2016, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by L8JM

Okay, thanks!! I appreciate it. Are the HcG and AI and NACs orals with standard dosages? ..If I get them will it be straight forward how much to take.. like ex; 1 pill each per day during first 12 weeks?

It's all in the thread that mr. BB gave u.

Hcg is infected. Al will be a oral but u will need to cut this pill to your preferred anount.

**73rr** · 02-25-2016, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Test e only
Id go 10 or 12 weeks (i prefer 12)
Run HCG and an AI on cycle
Run NAC for liver support

Make sure you have everything including PCT before you start, if your supplier gets out of stock half way through your cycle or when your about to start PCT your fvcked so get everything ready before hand

^^^ taxman gave u great advice about having everything before u start. This can be a really big issue that happens to alot of ppl. GET YOUR S**T FIRST! HAHA

**saucerking** · 02-25-2016, 02:10 PM

Dude read the sticky that says : My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Its like the first thing in the forum..

**SuperNova93** · 02-25-2016, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by saucerking

Dude read the sticky that says : My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Its like the first thing in the forum..

Read the comments. He did mate

**L8JM** · 02-25-2016, 07:23 PM

Yup I read that. My questions have been answered now, Ill get some HcG and AI to take with my test, and no turinabol . looking forward to it, now that I feel like I have a lot more knowledge on how to get it done properly. I appreciate the help guys.

**73rr** · 02-25-2016, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by L8JM

Yup I read that. My questions have been answered now, Ill get some HcG and AI to take with my test, and no turinabol. looking forward to it, now that I feel like I have a lot more knowledge on how to get it done properly. I appreciate the help guys.

Very cool, if u have any other questions about anything plz ask away! Give us updates and let us know how your doing. Good luck

**kelkel** · 02-25-2016, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by 73rr

Hcg is infected.

Well damn, that's not good.

**73rr** · 02-25-2016, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Well damn, that's not good.

Damn it stupid phone does this all the time! Injected. Good catch kelkel.

**kelkel** · 02-25-2016, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by 73rr

Damn it stupid phone does this all the time! Injected. Good catch kelkel.

No worries. Just "injecting" a little humor.....

**L8JM** · 02-26-2016, 02:36 PM

Hey guys, so after talking with my source where I'm getting all of this from, he told me to take HcG the day I come off Test and to take it with Clomid and Nolva.. has anyone heard to do it like this? I read to take HcG with Test in week 1-12?

**kelkel** · 02-26-2016, 02:40 PM

Your source is probably referring to the Power PCT Protocol which is a bit old school. Run your HCG during cycle like in the thread BB linked you to in post #5. There's no reason to not maintain some testicular function throughout your cycle which is what HCG does for you. Your source has not kept up with the times.