Test + Dbol sides

[SuperNova93]

Hey all!

on day 4 now of my cycle. Here are my stats and my cycle:

5'9
23
177lbs
10%

250mg test E e3.5d 1-10
25mg dbol ed 1-4
250iu HCG with test 1-12
.5mg eod Arimidex

Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/75/50/50

Salmon Oil(Omega 3) 2000mg ed
Milk Thistle 3000mg ed


Just curious as to when most people start experiencing their side effects if any at all. I know it's early in the cycle, just curious.
I can feel the pumps already from the dbol. My sleeps are amazing. My dreams have become extremely vivid and clear. I never used to be able to remember my dreams in the morning, and now that I'm on cycle, I remember everything. Water retention hasn't hit me yet(as far as I know). I assume my waist would increase slightly with water retention?

Also want to clear something up: My buddy who is competing for a show is being coached by an IFBB Pro. So my friend thinks he's well educated in the world of AAS. Here is what he's telling me to do for my cycle:

-take Test Prop .5cc same days you take test E
-up dbol to a MINIMUM of 40mg/day
-AI's shouldn't be used until the 3rd or 4th cycle.
-Don't use your Arimidex, have Nolvadex on hand.
- 10 weeks is too short. go 12-16 with your test. Recovery is the same regardless.
- dbol you should run for 6-8 weeks. (@40mg/day minimum)
- you shouldn't have started until you are over 200lbs. (@5'9)

I'd like to know how much of his stuff is bull. I mean, I was extremely comfortable with how much my facts, and then he went and said I was doing it all wrong and that This ^ is how it should be done. I just want some confirmation that he's a idiot if that's true lol.

Thank you in advance for everyone's input on their experiences

[Back In Black]

If it's your first cycle you should drop the dbol and run test only.

Ignore almost everything your friend says. Pro's are notorious for giving dangerous advice particularly to newbs.

Only thing I agree with is extend to 12 weeks. And the fact that most people start when they haven't built a good enough base.

Maybe you should get him to join here.

[TheTaxMan]

Your friend is basicaly saying fvck your E2 and Prolactin levels

And eat dbol for 8 weeks and stress your liver the hell out.

Stick to the great advice BIB is giving and you are getting off this forum in general.

[SuperNova93]

thanks gents! Just wanted to make sure! Thanks for the advice BIB!

[SuperNova93]

If it's your first cycle you should drop the dbol and run test only.

Ignore almost everything your friend says. Pro's are notorious for giving dangerous advice particularly to newbs.

Only thing I agree with is extend to 12 weeks. And the fact that most people start when they haven't built a good enough base.

Maybe you should get him to join here.

Are the main reasons of recommending the drop in Dbol because of the aromatasing issue? I know Test is the recommended first cycle, but if it's from the side effects, wouldn't you be able to differentiate which ones are from the dbol and which ones are from the test because the dbol acts faster and the Test E doesn't act till roughly week 4?? Your insight would be great

[73rr]

Are the main reasons of recommending the drop in Dbol because of the aromatasing issue? I know Test is the recommended first cycle, but if it's from the side effects, wouldn't you be able to differentiate which ones are from the dbol and which ones are from the test because the dbol acts faster and the Test E doesn't act till roughly week 4?? Your insight would be great

No, because your sides from dbol or any other aas can come later. Sides don't always come right away.

U will also see alot from your first cycle being just test. More is not better in this world.

Keep up the good work on the forum.

[SuperNova93]

No, because your sides from dbol or any other aas can come later. Sides don't always come right away.

U will also see alot from your first cycle being just test. More is not better in this world.

Keep up the good work on the forum.

Okay gotcha! thank you for the insight, I appreciate it

[MrFreshmaker]

Your friend was right about 200lb frame too! Cuz naturally you could've achieve that weight easily if your diet was in check!

[hawk14dl]

Your friend was right about 200lb frame too! Cuz naturally you could've achieve that weight easily if your diet was in check!

At 5'9" and 10%bf? Get out of here. He's at 10% bf, his diet is obviously in check.

[MrFreshmaker]

At 5'9" and 10%bf? Get out of here. He's at 10% bf, his diet is obviously in check.

I am 5'6,and right now I'm 192 lb,16-18% bf.In August last year,when my diet was in check,i was at 180-185 at 13-14%. I never said at 200 he will be at 10% bf,but 13-15% very easy!

[SuperNova93]

Your friend was right about 200lb frame too! Cuz naturally you could've achieve that weight easily if your diet was in check!

yeah no way mate. My entire family has always had a small frame. my wrists are a smidge under 7". 200lbs is not a realistic number at 5'9 with my wrists unfortunately. :/

[SuperNova93]

I am 5'6,and right now I'm 192 lb,16-18% bf.In August last year,when my diet was in check,i was at 180-185 at 13-14%. I never said at 200 he will be at 10% bf,but 13-15% very easy!

why would I want to be fatter just to hit 200lbs?

[MrFreshmaker]

why would I want to be fatter just to hit 200lbs?

Cuz you're young to cycle! I mean why risking to be on TRT at this age,when you can gain weight without steroids!
I think you did blood test before cycling,so you'll see,that after pct,your levels will be way lower,cuz there's no chance after 12 weeks of steroids,your levels will comeback at previous levels,i mean there's no way!

[kelkel]

HMy buddy who is competing for a show is being coached by an IFBB Pro.

They give pro cards out like candy on Halloween to physique guys. No doubt the new "Classic" division will be the same way. In other words, having that pro card doesn't necessarily qualify anyone to give this type advice....

[hawk14dl]

Cuz you're young to cycle! I mean why risking to be on TRT at this age,when you can gain weight without steroids!
I think you did blood test before cycling,so you'll see,that after pct,your levels will be way lower,cuz there's no chance after 12 weeks of steroids,your levels will comeback at previous levels,i mean there's no way!

People that cycle properly and do a proper pct recover back to normal just fine, all the time. Sure, 23 is a bit young. But you're not making much sense with the advice you're giving.

177lbs at 10% is better then 185 at 13%.

At 5'9 177 and 10%, he's got plenty of a base to cycle with.

[SuperNova93]

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[73rr]

People that cycle properly and do a proper pct recover back to normal just fine, all the time. Sure, 23 is a bit young. But you're not making much sense with the advice you're giving.

177lbs at 10% is better then 185 at 13%.

At 5'9 177 and 10%, he's got plenty of a base to cycle with.

Not trying to call u out so much but do u have proof that ppl recover to normal all the time? And I mean back to the same level before there cycle?

I'm pritty sure most (there are always the few) that will have lower levels after there cycle.

[MrFreshmaker]

People that cycle properly and do a proper pct recover back to normal just fine, all the time. Sure, 23 is a bit young. But you're not making much sense with the advice you're giving. 177lbs at 10% is better then 185 at 13%. At 5'9 177 and 10%, he's got plenty of a base to cycle with.

What do you mean with"back to normal just fine"?! If you mean normal with testosterone levels of an 80 yo( like yours)than yes! And this coming from a guy that is already on trt at 28!!!

[hawk14dl]

People recover back to their natural test levels post cycle all the time. Logs are all over the board with lab results.

Thanks for taking the time to stalk my post history though. Too bad you didn't read enough to realize my low test had nothing to do with gear (i had never touched it before). Mine was purely medical reasons.

But hey, i feel honored. Anything else you want to know about me?