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    Thoughts/Advice on Cycle; Test E/TBol/Anavar

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    5'8"
    185 lbs
    10-12% body fat depending on diet, will be 10% during cycle.
    30 yrs

    I cycled constantly on and off for 2 years, it has been around 4 years since my last cycle and I am looking for different results. My previous cycles consisted of different variations of Test/ deca / Dbol stacks.

    My goal this cycle is to have a more "Athletic Cycle" for competitive enduro mountain biking.

    Cycle:

    Weeks 1-6: TBol 40 mg ED (might bump up to 60)
    Weeks 1-16: Test E 250 mg/week (I have plenty of Test on hand, and will bump up to 500 if needed).
    Weeks 12-18: Anavar 40 mg ED
    Weeks 1-16: Arimidex .5 mg EOD

    I will run PCT with Nova and Clomid.

    I have HCG on hand.

    I appreciate anything that is constructive. I will be starting the cycle in May, so I have time to change it up.

    Cheers

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    I'd do 500mgs of test and skip the anavar . To many Orals for this cycle.

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    I'd be worried about vicious leg pumps at 500 a week.

    I'd back the test down to 150 and add 3 or 400 mgs of EQ or Masterone.

    Something to look into...

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    I'd also add (anecdotal only) that I know of some road racers that have run test and tbol (I have no tbol experience) and have heard them talk of quality muscle recovery, also not having to endure the water retention and more rapid gains. Again anecdotal, but thought I'd at least at that bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallmenelly View Post
    I'd do 500mgs of test and skip the anavar. To many Orals for this cycle.
    That's what I was thinking too, I was going to kickstart with Test Prop for 4 weeks, and drop the TBol. But I hear good things about TBol for kickstarting.

    Is a 6 week gap not enough for two orals in a cycle? I was reading 4 weeks, but I have only ever had one oral in a cycle to kickstart.

    Thanks for the advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    I'd be worried about vicious leg pumps at 500 a week.

    I'd back the test down to 150 and add 3 or 400 mgs of EQ or Masterone.

    Something to look into...
    I agree on the pumps, that's why I was going to run at 250; I didn't think about dropping down to 150, thought it would be too low. Is it not on a long cycle?

    I was looking into EQ, my original plan was to have EQ at 300-400 mg/week. I was reading on other post that if it isn't ran for 18-20 weeks you don't really get the effects. I was worried about running Test that long. Have you ran a long test cycle?

    I am kickstarting with TBol.

    Cheers

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    16 weeks is a long time to be shut down. You should consider running a shorter cycle. If you have your heart set on 16 weeks then maybe back load with prop in order to shorten the time before PCT.

    Tbol and var are both gentle on the liver for orals, but I wouldn't want to use them both in the same cycle.

    That's a small dose of var. You'd be better off around 70-90 mg/day

    Make sure to use hcg for the entire cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clifflane3 View Post
    I agree on the pumps, that's why I was going to run at 250; I didn't think about dropping down to 150, thought it would be too low. Is it not on a long cycle?

    I was looking into EQ, my original plan was to have EQ at 300-400 mg/week. I was reading on other post that if it isn't ran for 18-20 weeks you don't really get the effects. I was worried about running Test that long. Have you ran a long test cycle?

    I am kickstarting with TBol.

    Cheers
    The EQ will do the work, I'd front load it and run it for 14 to 16...test is a must for sexual function. Longest I've run test is 16 weeks though in hindsight gains were diminishing around week 14. Recovery wasn't horrible and that was at 500. PCT and blood work will be paramount to recovery. It's hard to paint it with a broad stroke as all of our bodies work differently, but since your goals are geared toward endurance training and not mass/strength I think that type of cycle would where enhancement of RBC for is the end game. 150 is a starter for test, could always bump it to 200 if necessary. As mentioned, I would just worry about leg pumps at higher dosages of test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    16 weeks is a long time to be shut down. You should consider running a shorter cycle. If you have your heart set on 16 weeks then maybe back load with prop in order to shorten the time before PCT.

    Tbol and var are both gentle on the liver for orals, but I wouldn't want to use them both in the same cycle.

    That's a small dose of var. You'd be better off around 70-90 mg/day

    Make sure to use hcg for the entire cycle.
    ^^^^
    Great advice (especially if you stick with the compounds you already have)

    You could run 2 10 weekers too if spaced accordingly...time on + PCT = time off

    If you added EQ or mast then I think the plan changes a bit.

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    Carderine (GW-501516) 20mgs/ED could also be a good supplement for you based on your goals. Great cardio boost, crazy good endurance boost and quick recovery. Might be worth it to throw on top of a TBol/Test or Var/Test stack.
    Last edited by Dr. Anavario; 03-21-2016 at 09:05 PM. Reason: More info

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