Low sperm count and low test still 3 months after PCT

[mrtypr]

Hey guys

I have been a steroid user for the last 3 years with mild dosages and cycling on and off with PCT

My last cycle with PCT I did I finished PCT late Jan and got my blood test in Feb

Liver enzymes were a little high but thats no problem I have been taking TUDCA and will do another test next week to see

What I am concerned about is my sperm count test was <1m and the they were a little abnormal
Test is also low at around 8.2

The doctor is going to make me see an IVF doc and do another sperm count in a couple of months and I am going to see a hormone specialist in June

Just to be safe right

I never did any HCG during my cycles, but maybe this is why or maybe my PCT was bogus crap on my last cycle

Just want to know from some other guys if it took longer to recover after your cycle?

Kind of wanted to Blast and Cruise but I want 2 kids first.... So thats priority but also sucks with gym life

[Mr.BB]

You need to post the bloodwork, without LH, FSH, e2, free test, Total T, SHBG, prolactin, etc its kinda hard to say much, except its one of the risks of taking steroids . Also post your cycle/PCT history and protocols.

[mrtypr]

You need to post the bloodwork, without LH, FSH, e2, free test, Total T, SHBG, prolactin, etc its kinda hard to say much, except its one of the risks of taking steroids. Also post your cycle/PCT history and protocols.

Hey mate
Thanks
Ive posted all my latest test results
the Hormones and Cortisol are early March
My Liver test was done mid FEB

I am 32 years of age been training for over 10 years

Cycles ranged between 500mg to 700mg of test with other stacks such as Sus250, Boldanon, Test E, ( Tren A on one cycle)

Now around Mid 2014 I had a back injury so I stayed off all steroids all together for from mid 2014 to November 2015. So just before my latest cycle I was clean for at least 1.5 years and liver results were normal
( did not get natural testosterone tests done back then)
My Back injury got better November 2015 so I jumped on the following cycle :

I did a blend called Anomass 400 @ 3ml a week for 10 weeks:
MASS 400 - STEROID BLEND 400MG

So that was:
Boldenone Undecylenate @ 450mg
Testosterone Enanthate @ 450mg
Trenbolone Enanthate @ 300mg

per week

through week 5 to 10 I did 50mg on var

followed by a month of Clomid and Nolva
which was :
Clomid : 50/50/25/25
Nolva: 40/40/20/20



I hope this is enough info if not let me know please and I will try my best to provide more

[Mr.BB]

You are still shut down. The LH and FSH are tanked, so its not a surprise you are low T and low sperm count.

Basically your PCT did not work, was it pharma clomid and nolva?

From what I understand this blood work is from end of Feb? and you ended PCT at end of Jan, right?

Your pituitary did not respond to the PCT meds, IMO you need to restart PCT Clomid/Nolva (pharma) 100-50-50-50, 40-20-20-20. I would check LH and FSH (no need to full BW) right after this PCT to see if pituitary is responding, full hormone panel you need to do 8 weeks after end of PCT to see if it worked.

I would not use HCG as your testicles seem to be responding some, although such a low LH.

Understand that many doctors are not very familiar with hormones and might be not be condescendent about the steroid use .

[Mr.BB]

Just noticed the dates and times on bloodwork.

Did you really collected blood at 20:24 or 23:20 hours????

[mrtypr]

You are still shut down. The LH and FSH are tanked, so its not a surprise you are low T and low sperm count.

Basically your PCT did not work, was it pharma clomid and nolva?

From what I understand this blood work is from end of Feb? and you ended PCT at end of Jan, right?

Your pituitary did not respond to the PCT meds, IMO you need to restart PCT Clomid/Nolva (pharma) 100-50-50-50, 40-20-20-20. I would check LH and FSH (no need to full BW) right after this PCT to see if pituitary is responding, full hormone panel you need to do 8 weeks after end of PCT to see if it worked.

I would not use HCG as your testicles seem to be responding some, although such a low LH.

Understand that many doctors are not very familiar with hormones and might be not be condescendent about the steroid use.

Thanks so much for this info.

I finished my PCT end of Jan yes, I got my Liver bloodwork done 15h of Feb and hormone bloodwork done 7th of March ( got them done at separate times)

I will source some PCT again and see what happens, ( difference source this time ) and let you know to !

Excuse my ignornace but LH and FSH are Luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone
Where is that info specially on my bloodtest results? Lutropin and Follitropin?
They seem below normal ranges, so when you say tanked do you mean under normal range or above?

Thanks heaps mate

So yeh Ill get more PCT, different source this time and pharma grade, as soon as I am done Ill get another blood test and check LH and FSH then 8 weeks again afterwards

And No i didnt do those tests that late. Not sure whats going on there haha. Got them done around 6pm after work

[Mr.BB]

Thanks so much for this info.

I finished my PCT end of Jan yes, I got my Liver bloodwork done 15h of Feb and hormone bloodwork done 7th of March ( got them done at separate times)

I will source some PCT again and see what happens, ( difference source this time ) and let you know to !

Excuse my ignornace but LH and FSH are Luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone
Where is that info specially on my bloodtest results? Lutropin and Follitropin?
They seem below normal ranges, so when you say tanked do you mean under normal range or above?

Thanks heaps mate

So yeh Ill get more PCT, different source this time and pharma grade, as soon as I am done Ill get another blood test and check LH and FSH then 8 weeks again afterwards

And No i didnt do those tests that late. Not sure whats going on there haha. Got them done around 6pm after work

Yes, LH is lutropin and FSH is Follitropin, when I say tanked I mean they are too low.

Always do hormone blood tests first thing in the morning (6am to 8 am), the values might be skewed because of this, testosterone is highest in the early morning. LH and FSH have pulsatile functions, so they vary a bit, but never that low (at least the FSH).

[ScotchGuard02]

Give yourself time. Cycling steroids is hard on the endo system. I normally take about 6 months to 9 months off between cycles. At 3 months, your body is still trying to reach equilibrium.

[mrtypr]

Still think I should of recovered by now, as in the past my test level has reached in between the normal range after cycle. Not to long after PCT

[carbo]

How long after last shot of that blend did you start with your PCT?

You surely realize for how long boldenone and trenbolone stay in your system and keep your HPTA shut down, rendering immediate PCT ineffective?

[mrtypr]

How long after last shot of that blend did you start with your PCT?

You surely realize for how long boldenone and trenbolone stay in your system and keep your HPTA shut down, rendering immediate PCT ineffective?

well I went off the test E half life so I started my PCT 2 weeks after last pin

if I ****ed up tell me so I know next time

[Mr.BB]

well I went off the test E half life so I started my PCT 2 weeks after last pin

if I ****ed up tell me so I know next time

Yeah, but carbo has a point, Eq needs 3 weeks clearance and the dates dont add up.

You say you started cycle in Nov, 10 weeks will have you finish mid Jan, if you waited 2 weeks clearance PCT should have started by end of Jan, but you say you finish it by then??

Also what happened to you liver, transaminases were still quite high by 15 Feb? Seems like you were still on Var through your PCT (or the UGL pct meds were something else). Nevertheless you need a new PCT with that bloodwork.

[mrtypr]

I didnt write down the dates etc, so probably should have for this very reason

Dates are a bit of a Estimate but I am sure they are pretty a close estimate

[mrtypr]

Hey guys
Bit of an update here

Got another blood test on April the 5th

Big improvement on liver from taking TUDCA
and a little improvement FSH without taking anything from time of blood test. LH still still the same

After blood test was taken though, I went to see a naturopath that a friend of mine see's which he uses AAS to and gets help from him. Explained everything to him and he gave me some supplements to try boost natural test and hormones, and sperm

Ill see how this stuff goes first if it keeps improving ill stick with it, if not Ill get my hands on PCT ( as PCT here is very expensive stuff)

[numbere]

Good job on taking the initiative of having follow up labs, seeing a naturopath and working to improve your liver values.

I think that you would be better off running another PCT to see if you can get your natural test back on line before using a test boosters.

If test boosters were superior to nolva/clomid at resetting natural test production then that's what we would use for PCT.

A course of generic pharma PCT meds shouldn't be that expensive.

[mrtypr]

Good job on taking the initiative of having follow up labs, seeing a naturopath and working to improve your liver values.

I think that you would be better off running another PCT to see if you can get your natural test back on line before using a test boosters.

If test boosters were superior to nolva/clomid at resetting natural test production then that's what we would use for PCT.

A course of generic pharma PCT meds shouldn't be that expensive.

its a rip off here

everything is banned here and you need a priscription for everything where i am

[kelkel]

Spend the money on pct. There is no viable alternative and a properly functioning pituitary is worth the cost.

[mrtypr]

Spend the money on pct. There is no viable alternative and a properly functioning pituitary is worth the cost.

Yeh no doubt

Ill give this naturopath guy a few weeks and if no improvement Ill be hunting some PCT

I have read on forums and I think this one in particular, that I could get some stuff from some sponsors, ( aussie ) if anyone could help me out with that maybe send me a pm
or give me more info as I do not understand how the sponsor thing works

[oldnsedentary]

its a rip off here

everything is banned here and you need a priscription for everything where i am

Sounds like the United States

[TexasManDan]

agreed! -_-

[mrtypr]

Yeh well here for a month of clomid and nolva will dint $400 aud roughly here

[Blazini]

How are things going and how was your experience with the naturopath?

[mrtypr]

How are things going and how was your experience with the naturopath?

Hey sorry didnt reply, can I I set up e-mail notifications or something?

Just got some recent bloods done and fuck all has changed

I mean my libido has improved though, and it feels like how it normally is at my ages when off gear

but my test is still pretty low

I am getting a sperm test done tomorrow, that's the main thing I am concerned for really. I still need kids to have

From the naturopath I have been taking tribulus, cyclo clenz and motility boost which is for healthy sperm production

Been on his stuff for about 2 months and the only thing that increased slightly was my FH and test ( check attachment)

Now could it be a case of just it takes a long time? I would thing if it takes this long, it'll go back naturally on its own

I have ditched seeing the naturopath now as I dont beleive its working at all (according to blood test but ill wait for sperm to)

I really do want to try PCT but I cannot find any! Where I am from (Australia) Need a reliable source (hint)

Well looking at the very first blood test done in March my FH was 0.4 > aprile 1.3 > June 1.9 so I guess its getting up there but slowly..