Wedding Stack: Tren & Test & Deca & Mast & Winny & Clen

[TexasManDan]

Hey Guys,

I've been reading these forums for years and finally joined today!

I was hoping for some input on the cycle I plan to run before getting married in 20 weeks. Its an advanced cycle so I'm really hoping to get some feedback from the pros.

First, some stats:
215lbs - started @ 145lbs 8yrs ago
26 yo
5'11"
8.4% bf (as of Feb.)
4 cycles down - TRT for 4 yrs
combos of test/EQ/deca/mast
always 500+ test c/wk
always 14+ wks/cycle
rarely front-load
never needed PCT or AI
no increased rage/anger problems
never had gyno
moderate Acne (back & shoulders)
Lift 6x weekly
Very clean diet (400C/250P/120F)
TRT @ 75mg 2x/wk test c (orig. Rx, now self-medicating)
Fina 1mg/day 8 yrs (balding @ 18) - no hairloss ever since, including cycles

This would be my first cycle w/4 major compounds. Always had good results using combos of 3. The goal is to add +/-20lbs then cut down +/-10lbs ending pre-contest lean. The fiance & friends know about my delicious juicy juice so that's not a concern. The family... not so informed...

Planned Cycle:
Have test c, deca, mast, tren e, winny, & clen on hand
Pin Tues & Friday
1-13 Test C 300mg 2x/wk
2-13 Deca 200mg 2x/wk
6-15 Mast 200mg 2x/wk
14-20 Test C 150mg 2x/wk
14-18 Tren E 200mg 2x/wk (300 + 250 1st week front-load)
14-18 Winny 30mg E/D
14&15 Clen 60 ED
18&19 Clen 70 ED
20 Getting Hitched and hoping my d*ck still works!

This is the 1st time running Tren, feel like I've plateaued and guess its about time. 1st time Clen.

If you've run a similar cycle or are very familiar w/Tren E, let me know what you think. If you don't know from experience, please, keep it to yourself.

Tren E Concerns:
Will my d*ck still work? No cycle is worth Deca/Tren d*ck on my wedding.
Will my back look like a pepperoni pizza? I'd like to minimize acne as I'll be around family & friends for a week on the beach. (I'm very clean, tan 3x/wk, use 10% benzyl peroxide & dawn antibac daily)

I really appreciate thoughts, comments & concerns.

Stay shredded - TexasManDdan

[bartman314]

not a pro - but experienced with tren (a in my case). a couple of inputs based on my experience.

i went with tran a vs tren e do get it into my system faster and to get it out of my system faster if sides were too much.

i get tren dick, but use injectable ed drug on cycle, making me a sex god. i can last forever without finishing and make the ladies VERY happy as a result. you too can be a stud on your hm.

i use low dose accutaine (20-40 mg/day) to manage acne - i'm prone.

tren e takes awhile to get into your system. not sure that the end of cycle strategy works. you might want to consider tren (i personally recommend a, pinning eod isn't that big of a deal and if you have strong sides you can get out of it quicker).

everyone reacts to tren differently. my last cycle was tren a 125 mg eod (now doing 150mg eod). i got the night sweats really bad - like waking up soaking wet bad. if you share your bed with your partner, it won't be easy if you react this way.

good luck!

[bartman314]

sorry... i didn't finish one thought. you might want to consider tren for the first and main part of your cycle.

oh... the most important. since you don't know how you react to tren, youre going to want caber in case of gyno. i keep my test at trt levels, which keeps my estrogen (and thus prolactin) in check.

[TexasManDan]

Beyond acne I really don't notice any sides from anything else. Unfortunately, I already picked up 3 vials of tren e, thinking the longer ester would result in more stable blood levels (considering eod to keep things flat-lined). I keep the AC at 65 and take 150mg diphenhydramine w/4 ZMA to knock me out and keep me asleep. This helped w/night sweats when I ran 600mg test & 400mg deca & 400mg mast before.

Acutaine is way more potent than I've ever needed (although the tren could change that)..

I've never taken caber, although I've read its used for deca and tren. What was the difference for you between using and not using caber w/tren?

Thanks for the response!

[TexasManDan]

What is this drug that makes you **** like a god? I'd love to hit the hm like a raging stallion, she would too, I'm sure lol

[bartman314]

i took 0.5 mg/w caber with tren as a precuationary measure. subsequently i did more research and learned that high estrogen tends to trigger high prolactin and gyno for some (it's in the posts here somewhere). since i keep test at trt levels, 50mg test cyp 2x/w, my estrogen is normal and i just keep caber on hand now in case my nipples get... sensitive (which has not happened for 2 and 3rd tren cycles at increasing tren a dosages).

alprostabil is the injectable ed drug. i tried all the usual oral drugs (and continue to take 10 mg cialis 2x/day for blood flow benefits) with mixed results. the injectable works incredibly well and incredibly quickly - inject and your good to go for hours. the tren part is the kicker for me. i have a hard time having an orgasm when on tren and now i can last hours and hours. actually, the drug still works after an orgasm off cycle - so your cock is ready to go for round 2 even if you're not mentally back yet! alprostadil is prescription and be careful not to overdose - apparently your tissue can be damaged if you maintain an erection for over a few hours - a real possibility with this drug.

[TexasManDan]

I wouldn't mind having it on hand (I have arimidex, clomid, nolva but have never needed them) but have been unable to get a hold of any... Even running 800mg test c per week for 12 weeks I never had any sign of nipple sensitivity/gyno/hair loss; but I never know running a new compound, especially tren.

My main concern is really ED in Mexico where I'm not planning to bring my gear. The first time I ran deca I used the same amount of test c, which was a noob mistake by not considering the longer half life of deca and thus the higher overall blood level. Result: DECA DICK! That wasn't fun but I correctly it quickly w/a blast 500mg test and skipping a dose of deca. Two weeks later the deca dick was gone. Do you think the same strategy would work if I notice ED sides w/ tren?

I did some research on the alprostadil, sounds perfect to cure what I'm afraid of, unfortunately my friend doesn't have it on hand (and never even heard of it)...

[TexasManDan]

This shows my blood levels of each compound based on the dose and half-life. Cycle starts on 4/12 and the black line being my HoneyMoon on 8/29. Most of the AAS have left my blood by the HM but I'm a little worried about residual effects.

I wish I could "tag" kelkel and back in black, would love to get their thoughts on this....

[numbere]

If this is your first time using tren then you won't need any other compounds besides test.

Tren puts all those others to shame.

On 500mg of test you need an AI even if you don't experience any physical symptoms of high e2.

Those steroids plots are next to useless for accurately determining what's left in your system because they only half life.

There are dozens of equations used to determine the pharmaceutics of a compound.

If you want your libido intact after cycle my best advise is to use as few compounds as possible and run short esters so you can titrate the dose if you experience unwanted sides.

[TexasManDan]

Honestly, I'd agree about using just tren. My favorite stack thus far was high test & high mast; I suppose I got a little too excited trying to figure out how to get the perfect "married on a beach bod".

I ordered some liquid stane and plan on 12.5mg ED w/my last meal of the day. At 8% bf (probably get up to 10% on cycle) do you think that'll hit my (relatively low) E2 too hard?

I ordered some liquid cia and plan on the 5g 2x/day, hopefully that will take care of any potential ED problems.

I also ordered liquid prami and plan on .25mg before bed to prevent any prolactin issues; if it helps w/potential tren depression then even better!

Thanks for the comment numbere

[numbere]

Honestly, I'd agree about using just tren. My favorite stack thus far was high test & high mast; I suppose I got a little too excited trying to figure out how to get the perfect "married on a beach bod".

I ordered some liquid stane and plan on 12.5mg ED w/my last meal of the day. At 8% bf (probably get up to 10% on cycle) do you think that'll hit my (relatively low) E2 too hard?

I ordered some liquid cia and plan on the 5g 2x/day, hopefully that will take care of any potential ED problems.

I also ordered liquid prami and plan on .25mg before bed to prevent any prolactin issues; if it helps w/potential tren depression then even better!

Thanks for the comment numbere

I think my next summer cycle will be high test and mast.

Good call on the stane. There's no way 12.5mg/ED will be too hard on your e2. It's a very mild AI.

Depending on where you get it from, some places cut their cia, you won't need that much and definitely not twice a day.

5mg in the AM should last you all day. IMO cia and albuterol are the best pre workout supplements.

Don't just take 0.25mg of prami, it's strong stuff. Start at 0.125mg before bed and slowly work the dosage up. No need to go higher than 0.5mg.

You really only need a DA like prami if you experience 19 nor sides or you get BW that shows elevated PRL. Even if you don't need it you should have it on hand.

BTW congratulations on the engagement!

[TexasManDan]

I think my next summer cycle will be high test and mast

For me, it's really a perfect summer stack since I want to stay lean but keep making gains! I ran 14 weeks 600mg test c + 600mg mast w/out an AI, put on 5lbs of dense muscle and stayed at 7% throughout w/out any bloat, just had some minor acne. I think they balance each other really well.

The pwo perks of cia are certainly a plus, but I'm really hoping to ensure everything is functional w/ a few drinks in me at 1 in the morning after the pool bars close down lol. You think 5mg AM will still be sufficient?

I figured .25mg was quite a bit lower than the .5-1.0mg most use and would be a proactive measure to prevent any prolactin sides vs a reactive measure only after noticing the sides....

Thanks man!

[TheTaxMan]

Thats a damn heavy cycle, you sure its necessary? You could run into a whole load of problems

If it were me i would just do the test and tren

Test
Tren
Deca
Mast
Winny
Clen

!??? You could potentialy go on your honey moon and not be to get a hard on

[lovbyts]

This reminds me of why I have been staying out of the Q&A section.

[NACH3]

Surely if you've not run tren yet - you don't want to add in 2 19nors(& progestins) in a cycle... You don know how your going to react to test/tren alone... As numbere stated tren wil win outright at the AR... Leaving the others except the mast in question - and without an AI your prolactin will most likely raise but just managing your E2 will/should keep prolactin at bay and controlled! AI HCG and a DA are a must!

GL and congrats on your wedding!

[Bonaparte]

Weddings are stressful. Why put yourself through that when you're full of Tren? Nobody can see how ripped you are in a tux, and it's not like you need to impress your fiance on your wedding night...

[TheTaxMan]

I can relate to what bonaparte is saying

Im on a tren cycle now and trying to start my own business = Stress, irritability and rage!

[numbere]

For me, it's really a perfect summer stack since I want to stay lean but keep making gains! I ran 14 weeks 600mg test c + 600mg mast w/out an AI, put on 5lbs of dense muscle and stayed at 7% throughout w/out any bloat, just had some minor acne. I think they balance each other really well.

The pwo perks of cia are certainly a plus, but I'm really hoping to ensure everything is functional w/ a few drinks in me at 1 in the morning after the pool bars close down lol. You think 5mg AM will still be sufficient?

I figured .25mg was quite a bit lower than the .5-1.0mg most use and would be a proactive measure to prevent any prolactin sides vs a reactive measure only after noticing the sides....

Thanks man!

My bad I thought you were talking about using 5mg twice a day on a regular basis. That would be a waste of money. If you know your going to get it in and want some extra pump taking another 5mg is totally fine.

When it come to PRL with 19 nors the first step is controlling e2. Most of the time if e2 is in range PRL won't elevate negating the need for a DA. So you really only need a DA if you get sides or BW shows high PRL.

I really like prami, it does great things for my sex life, but I don't like taking it unless its needed. The first few doses mess with my sleep pattern.

Bonaparte makes a great point in the post above.

[TexasManDan]

Thats a damn heavy cycle, you sure its necessary?

I don't think any cycle is ever necessary, but I do agree, this many compounds can lead to too many interactions and too many unknowns...

The thought of not getting a hard on quickly usurped being shredded, which is why I posted all this, to see if those w/similar stacks agreed.

Appreciate the feedback.

[TexasManDan]

This reminds me of why I have been staying out of the Q&A section.

If you could remind me, and others reading this why you stay out of the Q&A section, that might lessen the occurrence of your future reminders.

[TexasManDan]

Surely if you've not run tren yet - you don't want to add in 2 19nors(& progestins) in a cycle... You don know how your going to react to test/tren alone... As numbere stated tren wil win outright at the AR... Leaving the others except the mast in question - and without an AI your prolactin will most likely raise but just managing your E2 will/should keep prolactin at bay and controlled! AI HCG and a DA are a must!

I've got stane, prami and cia on the way. Hopefully those will alleviate any sides.

I'm nixing the deca, winny and mast and will consider adding in the clen after assessing how the tren has made me feel.

GL and congrats on your wedding!

Thank you, I'm looking forward to it!

[TexasManDan]

Weddings are stressful. Why put yourself through that when you're full of Tren? Nobody can see how ripped you are in a tux, and it's not like you need to impress your fiance on your wedding night...

I can understand what you're getting at, I really don't know how the tren will mess with my emotions. Granted, I'm the least aggressive person I know, even on high test/mast/deca. The wedding will be about 10 minutes, on the beach, no tux, 25 people there. The other 7 days will be spent taking pictures by the pool w/ friends & family, which is why I included the winny & mast & clen....

[TexasManDan]

I can relate to what bonaparte is saying

Im on a tren cycle now and trying to start my own business = Stress, irritability and rage!

Do you always notice more stress, irritability and rage w/tren or only when it's set off by something?

[TheTaxMan]

I wouldnt say im stressed in terms of normal life

Its more just short fused, it can be set off with something so silly like for example if i was late for work and i leave the house, lock up, head towards my car and ive forgot something, then i drop my keys, then the front door doesnt unlock or something BOOOOM i want to kick the fckin door down lol.

Seriously though, im alright really, just snappy and short fused and things i normaly could laugh off. If theres something really stressful like for you, your wedding, or if i was faced with loads of bills or my car needed a lot of repairs it could easily get amplified.

And you said above no cycle is necessary, i kind of agree with that, but your proposed cycle is really uneccesary in my opinion, just to look good for your wedding when a normal cycle and diet can achieve that without the potential rage, killing your sex drive risks.

Imo, its a pretty rash move/cycle giving your circumstances, of thats you in your avatar your already in cracking shape, just dont over do it, just do a simple cycle and work and diet hard, you will look great.

The little extra your going to achieve from throwing all that gear in far out weighs the potential risks/issues you may face

[numbere]

Do you always notice more stress, irritability and rage w/tren or only when it's set off by something?

Honestly this varies a lot from person to person.

Your persona will just be amplified, and it tends to increase with the duration of use.

I'm cool as a cucumber when on tren.

[ScotchGuard02]

18 week cycle seems long. I've run Test/Tren cycles and with a little cardio I was able to get lean and tight. That Tren is amazing stuff.

[TexasManDan]

I wouldnt say im stressed in terms of normal life

Its more just short fused, it can be set off with something so silly like for example if i was late for work and i leave the house, lock up, head towards my car and ive forgot something, then i drop my keys, then the front door doesnt unlock or something BOOOOM i want to kick the fckin door down lol.

Seriously though, im alright really, just snappy and short fused and things i normaly could laugh off. If theres something really stressful like for you, your wedding, or if i was faced with loads of bills or my car needed a lot of repairs it could easily get amplified.

And you said above no cycle is necessary, i kind of agree with that, but your proposed cycle is really uneccesary in my opinion, just to look good for your wedding when a normal cycle and diet can achieve that without the potential rage, killing your sex drive risks.

Imo, its a pretty rash move/cycle giving your circumstances, of thats you in your avatar your already in cracking shape, just dont over do it, just do a simple cycle and work and diet hard, you will look great.

The little extra your going to achieve from throwing all that gear in far out weighs the potential risks/issues you may face

lol I understand that perfectly! It does always seem to be the little things that bug the shit outta me. Big stuff I can handle, but I swear by all that is good, if I discover at the gym that I left my wireless headphones at the house, all hell is breaking lose (inside my brain at least)!

I'm gonna save the deca, mast and winny for another cycle. Test, tren and clen will be more than enough assistance. That's me from about a year and 10 pounds ago, upper body is still the exact same, lower body finally became proportionate lol.

I appreciate all the feedback, it made me see the error of my ways!