while continuing to gain knowledge and understanding

**thall1** · 04-23-2016, 07:07 PM

Ok folks so when my bodies in the right condition I'm planning on following austinite first cycle plan to the t. Test e hgc pct and blood work. I now know I can go to website pay for the test I want then schedule to have blood drawn at lab. I have also reduced the volume in my workouts but increased the intensity with more focus on clean lifts and good form. I also implemented drop sets and rest pause sets. Plus I have avoided lifts that kill my shoulder if it hurts I don't do it. I have no experience with pinning, and any advice on it will be greatly appreciated. And I'm sure I still have a bunch to learn, but at the moment I'm having trouble with my research and learning. I need to know what to focus on next.

**Hoggage_54** · 04-23-2016, 07:48 PM

Diet?

**thall1** · 04-23-2016, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hoggage_54

Diet?

Meal 1 430 am 3-4oz egg whites 1 or 2 yolks I usally do a toasted bagel with cream cheese or I do mini pancakes with peanut butter and lite surup.

Hit the gym 530 am

Whey shake 630 am

Meal 2: 730am 4-6oz chicken breast with a serving of whole grain brown rice.

Meal 3 930am same as meal 2

Meal 4 1130am some form of protein shake chicken pork fish sometimes steak I will also do a serving of rice.

At 130 I'll snake on tuna or some almonds sometimes I'll do a shake

Meal 5 330 lean protein in some form

Meal 6 630 greens and protein

Meal 7 930 greens and protein

**numbere** · 04-23-2016, 10:19 PM

IMO it's best to keep protein shakes down to one a day.

There's no replacement for a solid meal.

As soon as I get out of bed I pound a whey shake with oats and pb then hit the gym.

I've found it's the fastest and easiest meal at 5am when I'm a zAMbie.

Also, I used mt2 for about 2 months before my first cycle.

Even though the pinning was subq it really helped with the anxiety when I eventually did IM.

Not saying you need to do any of this, it just really helped my first cycle.

**thall1** · 04-24-2016, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

IMO it's best to keep protein shakes down to one a day.

There's no replacement for a solid meal.

As soon as I get out of bed I pound a whey shake with oats and pb then hit the gym.

I've found it's the fastest and easiest meal at 5am when I'm a zAMbie.

Also, I used mt2 for about 2 months before my first cycle.

Even though the pinning was subq it really helped with the anxiety when I eventually did IM.

Not saying you need to do any of this, it just really helped my first cycle.

I wake up starving so I gotta cook a good meal in the morning. And a take alot of good food to work with me every day. I usally only do whey shake right after workouts.

What does the mt2 do for you?

**numbere** · 04-24-2016, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by thall1

What does the mt2 do for you?

Mt2 makes you tan even if you're not getting sun.

It also gives you increased libido.

**thall1** · 04-24-2016, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

Mt2 makes you tan even if you're not getting sun.

It also gives you increased libido.

I think I'm good in those two departments. lol

**numbere** · 04-25-2016, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by thall1

I think I'm good in those two departments. lol

I think you misinterpreted the the meaning of my post.

Pinning IM can be difficult for some the first few times.

Using subq peptides helped prepare me and reduced the anxiety of pinning myself.

**73rr** · 04-25-2016, 08:48 AM

Good to here that your going to prep yourself first and follow a good protocol.

Are u trying to get your bf % down before cycle?

**thall1** · 04-26-2016, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

I think you misinterpreted the the meaning of my post.

Pinning IM can be difficult for some the first few times.

Using subq peptides helped prepare me and reduced the anxiety of pinning myself.

Oh ok I understand now.

**thall1** · 04-26-2016, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by 73rr

Good to here that your going to prep yourself first and follow a good protocol.

Are u trying to get your bf % down before cycle?

Yes I am I'm not sure exactly what it is right now. I weigh about 185. I'd like to get down to 180.

My main focus is on my right shoulder though. I got a doctor appointment coming up. I don't know if docs gonna be able to do much,but at least I'll know what's going on in there.
Dealing with this shoulder has been very frustrating, but it's taught me to kinda back off at times. I can't go in the gym and just kill it every time like I used to,but it made me focus more on legs which is very good because I use to neglect legs. In the last month iv seen my legs get a tad bigger and my numbers have went up a bit.

**73rr** · 04-26-2016, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by thall1

Yes I am I'm not sure exactly what it is right now. I weigh about 185. I'd like to get down to 180.

My main focus is on my right shoulder though. I got a doctor appointment coming up. I don't know if docs gonna be able to do much,but at least I'll know what's going on in there.
Dealing with this shoulder has been very frustrating, but it's taught me to kinda back off at times. I can't go in the gym and just kill it every time like I used to,but it made me focus more on legs which is very good because I use to neglect legs. In the last month iv seen my legs get a tad bigger and my numbers have went up a bit.

Very cool. Keep up the good work and make sure u take care of the shoulder like u said! I would say taking care of your should should be your number one concern. And we'll your healing up u can very easily drop 5 pounds

**thall1** · 04-26-2016, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

I think you misinterpreted the the meaning of my post.

Pinning IM can be difficult for some the first few times.

Using subq peptides helped prepare me and reduced the anxiety of pinning myself.

Can you please tell me more about what your talking about. Is mt2 a growth hormone or a subq. What exactly is a subq. I'm lost on the subject please explain.

Thanks

**Alta** · 04-26-2016, 09:46 AM

Sub cutaneous is just under the skin layer, which people do when injecting HGH, HCG or peptides.

Intra muscular is deep into the muscle tissue. This is for test injections.

Subq is relatively painless (smaller needle) and can prepare you for the sensation of injecting IM, which is a lot deeper with a larger needle.

**thall1** · 04-26-2016, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Alta

Sub cutaneous is just under the skin layer, which people do when injecting HGH, HCG or peptides.

Intra muscular is deep into the muscle tissue. This is for test injections.

Subq is relatively painless (smaller needle) and can prepare you for the sensation of injecting IM, which is a lot deeper with a larger needle.

Thanks for the info. In your opinion what's the least painful place to inject test?

**Alta** · 04-26-2016, 01:57 PM

Depends. I prefer quads, but the first 5 or 6 times with prop the PIP is borderline debilitating. Once I got used to it though, I was pinning 1.75ml EOD alternating quads.

Glutes are probably best I would think, but they're hard to reach. Same with delts, I don't like pinning left handed.

I would say get used to pinning your quads, but that's just me.

**thall1** · 04-27-2016, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

IMO it's best to keep protein shakes down to one a day.

There's no replacement for a solid meal.

As soon as I get out of bed I pound a whey shake with oats and pb then hit the gym.

I've found it's the fastest and easiest meal at 5am when I'm a zAMbie.

Also, I used mt2 for about 2 months before my first cycle.

Even though the pinning was subq it really helped with the anxiety when I eventually did IM.

Not saying you need to do any of this, it just really helped my first cycle.

I'm assuming that obtaining these peptides is the same as AAS, but Idk what's up,

**numbere** · 04-27-2016, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by thall1

I'm assuming that obtaining these peptides is the same as AAS, but Idk what's up,

Thall, you're over thinking this and shouldn't do any peptides.

Just get some bac water, you'll need it to reconstitute your hcg .

Pin a few IU of bac water with an insulin pin a couple of times before beginning your cycle.

If the anxiety of a subq doesn't make you lightheaded then your all good to pin IM.

**thall1** · 04-27-2016, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

Thall, you're over thinking this and shouldn't do any peptides.

Just get some bac water, you'll need it to reconstitute your hcg .

Pin a few IU of bac water with an insulin pin a couple of times before beginning your cycle.

If the anxiety of a subq doesn't make you lightheaded then your all good to pin IM.

LOL I was bout to be the horny guy with a nice tan... what a shame. Jk
Will peptides increase strength or stamina or help build muscle?

**thall1** · 04-27-2016, 04:35 PM

Anyone?

**73rr** · 04-27-2016, 05:32 PM

I don't know much about peptides but yes some peptides can help gain muscle.

May I add that there is NO substitute for the affects of AAS.

**thall1** · 04-27-2016, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by 73rr

I don't know much about peptides but yes some peptides can help gain muscle.

May I add that there is NO substitute for the affects of AAS.

I got you man I was just curious about peptides. Thanks for the info though.

**73rr** · 04-27-2016, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by thall1

I got you man I was just curious about peptides. Thanks for the info though.

For sure. There is some threads going on about some peptides but I really don't even know where to start when it comes to figuring out Witch ones do what and why. I think jimmyinkedup has some stuff on them. Maybe ask him.

**thall1** · 04-28-2016, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by 73rr

For sure. There is some threads going on about some peptides but I really don't even know where to start when it comes to figuring out Witch ones do what and why. I think jimmyinkedup has some stuff on them. Maybe ask him.

Cool I might give him a shout.
I'll tell you man my shoulder feels good. I been rehabbing it for about 6wks now, and the constant pain I was feeling is gone. In fact I been getting some pretty good workouts. I feel I'm ready.