Going to the doctor question

[thelazygent]

I am going to the doctor on friday morning to get checked for an STD (fucking colombian girls).

I am currently doing a self medicated TRT dose of 200mg a week with arimidex .25 EOD. I have been on it since January. I plan to blast and cruise indefinitly, but I am on a cruise right now.

I want to get a blood tests done while I am going to the doctor to see how my body is doing while I am there. Should i tell the doctor that I am doing a self medicated TRT dose? Do you think its wise? I know its always best to be honest with your doctor, but if I disclose it to them and something down the line happens to me they will blame the Tesosterone and my insurance might go up in the future. Should I get tested for Test and Estrogen in addition to the obvious liver, cholesterol, blood pressure (not a blood test I know), prostate tests?

[colemama37]

Personally, I think honesty with your doctor would be in your best interest here, especially considering it's a matter that involves your overall health. While I have no experience in this department, I do work in a pharmacy, and have dealt with insurance issues and testosterone prescriptions before and such. The idea that implications could arise in the future and your insurance rates might increase is definitely one to consider, so while you may gain some great insight from others on the situation here, in the end the decision is up to you. I'm guessing some veterans will help you out here, but in the meantime I hope you take my opinion into consideration.

[600@50]

If you don't request test and E2 levels they will not be checked during a regular physical. The only things that could be high will be your hemoglobin, RBC and hematocrit levels. You could do a self bleed to lower those. I personally would not tell your doctor about taking unprescribed testosterone. It'll only open up a can of worms. If you want test and E2 levels just go to one of the online labs and have the tests done yourself.

[Charlie67]

My thoughts have always been 2 fold.

1) As soon as I tell my dr. and he types it in his little computer, its written in forever and will be an issue at any time in the future at that facility (might be right, might be wrong about that)... so a $60ish dollar private lab blood test is well worth it IMO.

2) My life, and my happiness FAR OUT WAY #1, so if I had anything that made me really uncomfortable, I'd spill the anabolic beans in a second.

It seems you are more in #1 territory now, but I'm not you.

[Strongblood]

As soon as your doctor types your TRT information into his computer, that information will be available for ANY medical facility to see from then on. Personally I would not tell the doc anything about TRT. At 200mgs a week your test level should be around 1500ng/dl. If your test is dosed correctly. That's 400 over high normal. Tell the Dr you have been taking testosterone booster supplements from GNC and name a couple of them. He will probably buy that. Good luck!

[ePeeZy]

Listen to Strong and Charlie, once you tell your doc and it goes in your file, it's there forever. Any future insurance company can see it, and they could deny you coverage or charge you and outrageous premium.

I pay $73 to get a full blood panel done privately, no records, no worries.

[Mr.BB]

If you don't request test and E2 levels they will not be checked during a regular physical. The only things that could be high will be your hemoglobin, RBC and hematocrit levels. You could do a self bleed to lower those. I personally would not tell your doctor about taking unprescribed testosterone. It'll only open up a can of worms. If you want test and E2 levels just go to one of the online labs and have the tests done yourself.

^^^This. Hormones are not checked, dont know what you are worried about.

[thelazygent]

Thanks. Ok went to the Doctor. Peed in a cup and they will get back to me. The nurse took my blood pressure and got 124/90. Then I asked the doctor to do it as a second opinion and it came out 140/90. The doctor pumped it up to the point where it was very very very tight on my arm. The doctor then told the nurse to do it again in another room. The nurse got me at 125/90. So the doctor told me she wants to have a blood test just in case. She thinks its probably my kidneys, but im probably thinking my E2 is high, causing water retention, and there fore high blood pressure.

What do you think?

[Mr.BB]

How old are you? Have you never taken BP?

125/90 is normal, specially considering how nervous you were...

High blood pressure (over 160 or close) will cause kidney problems with time, not the other way around, why would you have kidney problems????

What kind of physical was this for you be so nervous? Relax man, you will live longer.

[thelazygent]

Im 27. I have never taken BP meds. I wasn't nervous at the doctor. I never am.

The doctor clocked me at 140/90 and went with that as my final BP number (instead of the nurses 125/90) and as a precaution she wants me to get a blood test tomorrow to see if I have kidney problems.

[thelazygent]

Should I up my arimedex for tmrw?

[bullshark99]

90 is NOT normal, especially for a 27 yr old. It would be wise (very) to pay attention to that number. It is not in the danger zone but it's not borderline either. Many physicians will put you on maintenance medication if you continue to test at that level.

[numbere]

Should I up my arimedex for tmrw?

You should only change your AI dose based on bw.

If you plan on blasting and cruising indefinitely then it would be a good idea to get bw on a somewhat regular basis.

[thelazygent]

OK how often should i do blood work?

[Ashop]

Listen to Strong and Charlie, once you tell your doc and it goes in your file, it's there forever. Any future insurance company can see it, and they could deny you coverage or charge you and outrageous premium.

I pay $73 to get a full blood panel done privately, no records, no worries.

DITTO to this,,I have friends similar issues like this has happened. I would keep it on a 'need to know' basis only.

[numbere]

OK how often should i do blood work?

If you plan on blasting and cruising indefinitely then having a full hormone every 3 or 4 months would be beneficial.

Another time when it's good to have bw is when you're in a situation like you are now, where you think your AI is under dosed.

A few minutes of your time and $70 for a sensitive e2 assay will tell you what you need to know.

[thelazygent]

Ok good news. No STD (Idk how) but no STD.

Bad news. My blood test results came back from the reguluar doctor and not the blood test i ordered. So here is what came back high

RBC = 5.93 (Range is 4.14-5.80 )
Hemoglobin = 18.0 (12.6-17.7)
Hematocrit = 54.3% (37.5-51%)
ALT = 62 (0-44)
HDL Cholestrol = 39 (Greater than 39)

I forgot to mention I am also taking TB 500. I am taking 5mg a week. That was my fault. This probably is effecting things as well.

Also I went to labcorp and they would not take my blood for the test i ordered. It actually said on the sheet "Do not take to Labcorp" Any ideas where I can go? Some guy on T nation told me to go to labcorp.

What do you guys think? I really do appreciate the advice guys.

[FONZY007]

Ok good news. No STD (Idk how) but no STD.

Bad news. My blood test results came back from the reguluar doctor and not the blood test i ordered. So here is what came back high

RBC = 5.93 (Range is 4.14-5.80 )
Hemoglobin = 18.0 (12.6-17.7)
Hematocrit = 54.3% (37.5-51%)
ALT = 62 (0-44)
HDL Cholestrol = 39 (Greater than 39)

I forgot to mention I am also taking TB 500. I am taking 5mg a week. That was my fault. This probably is effecting things as well.

Also I went to labcorp and they would not take my blood for the test i ordered. It actually said on the sheet "Do not take to Labcorp" Any ideas where I can go? Some guy on T nation told me to go to labcorp.

What do you guys think? I really do appreciate the advice guys.

I would try to donate blood ASAP and I think it's your cause of the elevated BP. If cant donate blood, request it from your doctor to have a pint draw. Last resort self draw..

Also I think your 200mg a week of test is too high, lower it to 150mg a week.

I can't comment on the lab Corp do to never done it that way

[Mr.BB]

The self medicated TRT is not working as you not being able to control your hematocrit.
Or you dont even know what it is??

Maybe you should read about thrombosis and strokes a few threads below.

[thelazygent]

The self medicated TRT is not working as you not being able to control your hematocrit.
Or you dont even know what it is??

Maybe you should read about thrombosis and strokes a few threads below.

Dont be an ass. I am very, very educated. Not some hill billy.

I'm confident the reason why my hematocrit is high is because I am taking TB 500 (which I state earlier) , which one of its main effect is the rise of RBC in the blood. I have one more shot of it then I am coming off.

[thelazygent]

I would try to donate blood ASAP and I think it's your cause of the elevated BP. If cant donate blood, request it from your doctor to have a pint draw. Last resort self draw..

Also I think your 200mg a week of test is too high, lower it to 150mg a week.

I can't comment on the lab Corp do to never done it that way

I think my blood pressure is high because my AI could be bunk. I bought from ***. My liver could be from the TB 500 and I know the RBC and Hema is from the TB 500.

[thelazygent]

Had to go to another state to get my lab Corp test done but it came in. Here is what was of interest:

High Test slightly out of range= 1260
Low Estrogen in range = 11
Liver = 64 (0-44) this is concerning
And a bunch of test for red blood cells that were slightly high but not a big deal bc I am now off TB 500.

Now the concerning thing is my liver. I only drink alcohol and get drunk on Friday and Saturdays never black out. I would say I get drunk at a 6/7 on a scale of 1-10. The thing is I am taking this test in the morning and obviously I didn't drink much water before taking the test. My piss is a little yellow when I wake up but I drink a gallon a day and my pee is always clear the rest of the day. Never dark.

Do you think the liver is due to the TB 500, the Test, arimidex, or the alcohol. TB is supposed to help with liver problems thou but my last tb injection was Thursday.

What you think?

[Sfla80]

Had to go to another state to get my lab Corp test done but it came in. Here is what was of interest:

High Test slightly out of range= 1260
Low Estrogen in range = 11
Liver = 64 (0-44) this is concerning
And a bunch of test for red blood cells that were slightly high but not a big deal bc I am now off TB 500.

Now the concerning thing is my liver. I only drink alcohol and get drunk on Friday and Saturdays never black out. I would say I get drunk at a 6/7 on a scale of 1-10. The thing is I am taking this test in the morning and obviously I didn't drink much water before taking the test. My piss is a little yellow when I wake up but I drink a gallon a day and my pee is always clear the rest of the day. Never dark.

Do you think the liver is due to the TB 500, the Test, arimidex, or the alcohol. TB is supposed to help with liver problems thou but my last tb injection was Thursday.

What you think?

Have you not been taking any liver support??

Sorry I did not read the entire thread.

You should jump on some NAC daily at 600mgs. Cycle should be 1200, with oral up to 1800.

I would jump on this, and some use other products too. I stick to NAC though. Re test in 4-6weeks

Also cutting back on some of the drinking would help dramatically

[Bodacious]

Have you not been taking any liver support??

Sorry I did not read the entire thread.

You should jump on some NAC daily at 600mgs. Cycle should be 1200, with oral up to 1800.

I would jump on this, and some use other products too. I stick to NAC though. Re test in 4-6weeks

Also cutting back on some of the drinking would help dramatically

What he said plus... I would think that E2 is low if that was ultra sensitive...

[thelazygent]

These are my exact numbers with rangers.

BUN 21 High mg/dL 6-20 RN
Creatinine, Serum 1.32 High mg/dL 0.76-1.27 RN
ALT (SGPT) 64 High IU/L 0-44 RN
Iron, Serum 171 High ug/dL 38-169 RN
RBC 5.99 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80 RN
Hemoglobin 18.8 High g/dL 12.6-17.7 RN
Hematocrit 55.2 High % 37.5-51.0 RN
Testosterone, Serum 1260 High ng/dL 348-1197 RN
Dihydrotestosterone 111 High ng/dLAdult Male: 30 - 85

Estradiol 11.1 pg/mL 7.6-42.6

So my high blood pressure is obviously not from water retention as my estrogen level is low, but I did bump up my AI for a week and have not gotten my BP taken since.IM thinking the TB definitly has had an effect on my lipids. The liver thing is definitely scarey.

[numbere]

Wow 55.2%, dude your hematocrit is scary high!

I'm don't think you understand the seriousness of your situation.

Google thrombosis.

You need to lose some blood fast and lower your trt dose.

[AR's King Silabolin]

These are my exact numbers with rangers.

BUN 21 High mg/dL 6-20 RN
Creatinine, Serum 1.32 High mg/dL 0.76-1.27 RN
ALT (SGPT) 64 High IU/L 0-44 RN
Iron, Serum 171 High ug/dL 38-169 RN
RBC 5.99 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80 RN
Hemoglobin 18.8 High g/dL 12.6-17.7 RN
Hematocrit 55.2 High % 37.5-51.0 RN
Testosterone, Serum 1260 High ng/dL 348-1197 RN
Dihydrotestosterone 111 High ng/dLAdult Male: 30 - 85

Estradiol 11.1 pg/mL 7.6-42.6

So my high blood pressure is obviously not from water retention as my estrogen level is low, but I did bump up my AI for a week and have not gotten my BP taken since.IM thinking the TB definitly has had an effect on my lipids. The liver thing is definitely scarey.

Wow. Dangerous hct. Donate or selfbleed. Drink as much water as you can. Also 5dl grapefruitjuice each day. Babyaspirin before sleep. Try to drop alcohol and minimize coffee .

[thelazygent]

Wow 55.2%, dude your hematocrit is scary high!

I'm don't think you understand the seriousness of your situation.

Google thrombosis.

You need to lose some blood fast and lower your trt dose.

Thank you. My health is of the upmost concern. I will donate tuesday. Do I need a docs approval or anyhting? or can i just go and donate? IS there a long line.

[Mr.BB]

These are my exact numbers with rangers.

BUN 21 High mg/dL 6-20 RN
Creatinine, Serum 1.32 High mg/dL 0.76-1.27 RN
ALT (SGPT) 64 High IU/L 0-44 RN
Iron, Serum 171 High ug/dL 38-169 RN
RBC 5.99 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80 RN
Hemoglobin 18.8 High g/dL 12.6-17.7 RN
Hematocrit 55.2 High % 37.5-51.0 RN
Testosterone, Serum 1260 High ng/dL 348-1197 RN
Dihydrotestosterone 111 High ng/dLAdult Male: 30 - 85

Estradiol 11.1 pg/mL 7.6-42.6

So my high blood pressure is obviously not from water retention as my estrogen level is low, but I did bump up my AI for a week and have not gotten my BP taken since.IM thinking the TB definitly has had an effect on my lipids. The liver thing is definitely scarey.

A few posts up you call me an ass, and you say you are very educated.

Dont doubt you are very educated, as I never said you werent. Not knowing what is high hematocrit, what causes it and its consequences, doesnt mean you are "uneducated", just means you never studied the subject, not familiar with it.

Now, ignoring my post and ignoring the health hazard that comes with high hematocrit, also doesnt mean you not educated... but does mean you are at the very minimum stubborn (Im being gentle here...)

If you want to do self-medicated TRT you should be on top of all this subjects, and you being here asking this basic questions, and overseeing problems in your bloodwork does not favour you.

Bare in mind Im not here typing, wasting my time to harass you or just because I dont like you. I have no interest in typing this crap, besides passing foward the knowledge I gather from this forum. It is my way of helping the community, in which you are welcome but should probably try to be less stubborn (for you own sake).

Back on topic, your liver is nothing to be concerned, just by weight lifting hard the ALT can raise to those values. Your hematocrit is very high, and it is a major health concern, dont know if TB500 raises it, but I do know that it is one of the major side effects of exogenous testosterone. It is one of the most common problems with ppl in TRT.
High hematocrit will cause high blood pressure, high blood pressure will cause kidney problems, which is another cause of concern of you bloodwork. Both creatinine and BUN are over limit, if it was only creatinine I would say you are taking creatine supps which will make it high, but both high and you talking about water retention all lead to kidney problems. Forget about liver problems, the liver regenerates it self rather easily, but if you damage your kidneys theres no way back. Kidneys dont regenerate, once they are damaged only way to fix it is through transplant!

Listen to me, Im not saying you are at that stage yet, if you are able to reduce hematocrit and BP most likely you kidneys are still in pretty good shape (you are young) but if you continue with this over time in a few years you might be in a complicated situation.

Think of the kidneys as a filter, its their job to filter the blood, think of a paper filter if it starts to have holes or clogs up it is impossible to fix it and you need to replace it. Same thing happens with kidneys.

Personnaly I would stop the TRT for a month after donating blood to let things fix it self, and restart at a lower testosterone dosage (100mg/week). If you dont want to stop I understand as some are quite sensitive about their hormones lol, but the very least you need to reduce your TRT dosage. And of course you need to start donating blood, if BP does not comes back to normal you will need bp meds, something like an ARB (angiotensin receptor blocker) will do the job, you will need to take always while you have high BP.

How are you lipids? (cholesterol)

EDIT: I could post a bunch of links to backup this post but really thinking that you will probably just ignore it so why the extra work... just google polycythemia vera if you are interested about consequences of high hematocrit.

[Juced_porkchop]

I am going to the doctor on friday morning to get checked for an STD (fucking colombian girls).

I am currently doing a self medicated TRT dose of 200mg a week with arimidex .25 EOD. I have been on it since January. I plan to blast and cruise indefinitly, but I am on a cruise right now.

I want to get a blood tests done while I am going to the doctor to see how my body is doing while I am there. Should i tell the doctor that I am doing a self medicated TRT dose? Do you think its wise? I know its always best to be honest with your doctor, but if I disclose it to them and something down the line happens to me they will blame the Tesosterone and my insurance might go up in the future. Should I get tested for Test and Estrogen in addition to the obvious liver, cholesterol, blood pressure (not a blood test I know), prostate tests?

never mention off scrip illegal use of aas to doc ! not unless its immediat life threatening... if anything go the right way and go to doc for hrt. miss the next 2-3 months worth of shots and go in for bloods and say you think you have low T.

your info is NOT private, not when insurance etc. company ask you to sign right over to them to look at it before helping you or giving you a plan/deal...
even for an infection i would say it was a b12 shot gone wrong...
having notes of aas use not from doc will fuk you up for plans/coverage, avoid it.

[thelazygent]

A few posts up you call me an ass, and you say you are very educated.

Dont doubt you are very educated, as I never said you werent. Not knowing what is high hematocrit, what causes it and its consequences, doesnt mean you are "uneducated", just means you never studied the subject, not familiar with it.

Now, ignoring my post and ignoring the health hazard that comes with high hematocrit, also doesnt mean you not educated... but does mean you are at the very minimum stubborn (Im being gentle here...)

If you want to do self-medicated TRT you should be on top of all this subjects, and you being here asking this basic questions, and overseeing problems in your bloodwork does not favour you.

Bare in mind Im not here typing, wasting my time to harass you or just because I dont like you. I have no interest in typing this crap, besides passing foward the knowledge I gather from this forum. It is my way of helping the community, in which you are welcome but should probably try to be less stubborn (for you own sake).

Back on topic, your liver is nothing to be concerned, just by weight lifting hard the ALT can raise to those values. Your hematocrit is very high, and it is a major health concern, dont know if TB500 raises it, but I do know that it is one of the major side effects of exogenous testosterone. It is one of the most common problems with ppl in TRT.
High hematocrit will cause high blood pressure, high blood pressure will cause kidney problems, which is another cause of concern of you bloodwork. Both creatinine and BUN are over limit, if it was only creatinine I would say you are taking creatine supps which will make it high, but both high and you talking about water retention all lead to kidney problems. Forget about liver problems, the liver regenerates it self rather easily, but if you damage your kidneys theres no way back. Kidneys dont regenerate, once they are damaged only way to fix it is through transplant!

Listen to me, Im not saying you are at that stage yet, if you are able to reduce hematocrit and BP most likely you kidneys are still in pretty good shape (you are young) but if you continue with this over time in a few years you might be in a complicated situation.

Think of the kidneys as a filter, its their job to filter the blood, think of a paper filter if it starts to have holes or clogs up it is impossible to fix it and you need to replace it. Same thing happens with kidneys.

Personnaly I would stop the TRT for a month after donating blood to let things fix it self, and restart at a lower testosterone dosage (100mg/week). If you dont want to stop I understand as some are quite sensitive about their hormones lol, but the very least you need to reduce your TRT dosage. And of course you need to start donating blood, if BP does not comes back to normal you will need bp meds, something like an ARB (angiotensin receptor blocker) will do the job, you will need to take always while you have high BP.

How are you lipids? (cholesterol)

EDIT: I could post a bunch of links to backup this post but really thinking that you will probably just ignore it so why the extra work... just google polycythemia vera if you are interested about consequences of high hematocrit.

Sorry man. I know you are trying to help. The reason why it seems like i may be ignoring the fact that Test increases hematocrit is that TB 500 is a healing hormone and its main effect is delivery of oxygen to the cells which would raise red blood cell count.

"Thymosin Beta 4 is the thymosin peptide shown to promote protection, growth, repair, remodelling and healing. Studies have shown that it can promote migration of cells, formation of blood vessels, maturation of stem cells, activation of progenitor cells, survival of various cell types and lowering of the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines. Thymosin Beta 4 is the form that is naturally produced within the human body and obviously cant be bought. ' THYMOSIN BETA 4 (TB500) | Usage | Bodybuilding

I was under the assumption that TB 500 was the main culprit here, not testosterone. Now I took my last shot it 2 weeks ago. I know it is wearing off bc my hip is bothering me again. Does this change your opnion at all? My Hema should go down thou right? Should I still donate blood?

[thelazygent]

Update so i got another test done. Here is what came back.


These came down and are now in range:
BUN 19 mg/dL 6-20 RN
Creatinine, Serum 1.17 mg/dL 0.76-1.27 RN

Went slightly down but still out of range.
Hematocrit 54.8 High % 37.5-51.0 RN


These went up:
ALT (SGPT) 66 High IU/L 0-44 RN
Iron, Serum 181 High ug/dL 38-169 RN
RBC 6.14 High x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80 RN

Stayed the same:
Hemoglobin 18.8 High g/dL 12.6-17.7 RN


The iron levels were previously 171 so it jumped to 181. It was the biggest increase out of all of them. That jumped out at me. Im thinking it may be something else not drug related. So i drink a gallon day and full up my plastic water gallon with TAP WATER and have been reusing the same gallon for MONTHS. From now on I am drinking filtered water and will be throwing out the gallon every other day. I think this could be a big cultprit in the liver dept idk about the RBC and Hema but definitly the liver.

[Mr.BB]

We already told you need to donate and lower test dosagw... you are avoiding the obvious.

ALT at 66 is no big deal, heavy training can do that.

Iron, reduce red meat and limit vit c to 500mgs per day, but its not really that high to cause concern.

Again high hematocrit is bad for you.