Test E 250/week vs 500 mg/week

[chab]

I am 30 years old with BF 16% and I have been searching so much lately about whether to run 250 mg test E per week or the usual 500 mg and i found many people who made excellent gains on the 250 mg/week, the problem is that i can not get more test any time soon and i want to run a cycle, i will be coupling test with Dbol the first 4 weeks and it is my 1st cycle.
I know many people will tell me to run test alone but i guess at this low dose better to take with Dbol.
From what i read people got solid near 10-15 lbs from 250 mg/week vs 20-25 lbs from 500 mg/week but it also differ between people, and for me 10 lbs from a cycle is what i need; I am not the type who want to get to a 300 lbs monster with veins all over after 4 cycles specially that my job as i stated in previous posts requires me to be in a certain "friendly" shape.
As for AI and PCT and HCG , i am well educated on that so don't worry.
And please do not say that 250 mg/week are gonna get u in the upper high normal range of serum test because the therapeutic dose to get some1 with low test to normal levels is 250 mg per month of test E or 1000 mg every 3 months of Test undecanoate (Nebido); I am a pharmacist and never dispensed more than 1 ampoule of testoviron per month to a patient.
Also note that the test E 250 that i will use is Pharmaceutical grade made by Bayern so i am sure i will be taking the full 250 mg
So please give me ur thoughts if u ran a 250 mg test per week cycle and what was the result ?

Also try to read this article ....

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men — AJP - Endo

The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.

600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.

The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp.

Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase

Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease

Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase

Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase

Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase

Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase

Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease

Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects

[chab]

Bump

[numbere]

It's not about how much muscle tissue you can gain on cycle that's important.

It's how much muscle tissue you can keep after PCT.

If you're going to do a risky thing like shut your HPTA down for several weeks then you might as well make the most out of the endeavor an run 500mg week.

I'd be surprised if you keep 10 pounds 8 weeks post cycle.

[ePeeZy]

For your goals, there doesn't seem to be much reason to even do a cycle. If you only want to gain 10 lbs, you could do that in 6 months or so with proper diet and training routine. Dbol will put a lot of water weight on you and fade quickly once you stop taking it, again no point in taking any of this if you just want to put on 10 lbs.

[Metalject]

It's impossible to say what your results will be. That article you posted, they could do that same thing again and choose another 61 random men and get very different results. The genetic response to gear is a very real thing and it's not uniform from one person to the next.

One odd thing you mentioned in your post, you said you're a pharmacist and have never dispensed more than 1 amp of testoviron per month. If you're dispensing testoviron than I assume you're not in the states. Secondly, the most common dosing plans for TRT among physicians is (depending on physicians understanding of TRT) uninformed, 200-250mg every 2wks, informed, 100-200mg per week. Now there are still some old school doctors that will prescribe the testoviron blend (mix of propionate and enanthate ) every 3wks, but once a month is a stretch and the vast majority of testoviron out there is strictly enanthate, the blend is not as common any more.

As for a more direct answer, an 8wks cycle as you have planned, I would not expect a massive change that is kept after you're done.

[chab]

It's impossible to say what your results will be. That article you posted, they could do that same thing again and choose another 61 random men and get very different results. The genetic response to gear is a very real thing and it's not uniform from one person to the next.

One odd thing you mentioned in your post, you said you're a pharmacist and have never dispensed more than 1 amp of testoviron per month. If you're dispensing testoviron than I assume you're not in the states. Secondly, the most common dosing plans for TRT among physicians is (depending on physicians understanding of TRT) uninformed, 200-250mg every 2wks, informed, 100-200mg per week. Now there are still some old school doctors that will prescribe the testoviron blend (mix of propionate and enanthate ) every 3wks, but once a month is a stretch and the vast majority of testoviron out there is strictly enanthate, the blend is not as common any more.

As for a more direct answer, an 8wks cycle as you have planned, I would not expect a massive change that is kept after you're done.

ok so will it help if i add Anavar +/- Turinabol to the other 4 weeks that i will run without Dbol ? i will also run HGH 4 IU daily since i can get it for free ...