2nd Cycle, 10-12 weeks test-p/test-e/tbol/anavar advice

**NickNack** · 05-11-2016, 03:34 PM

Hello every body, this is my first post. been lurking for quite some time now. its a pleasure to be apart of the community.

First off my stats:
age:28
weight:91 kg
height:5'11
Bf around 12ish% (still have a visible abs and my arms and legs are fairly lean)
training for 4 years

currently eating around 4800 calories with 250p/720c/100f.

i've been maintaining this bulks since i started my first 12 week cycle back in october.
I'm going to go to the doctors for a blood test the start of june to see if im all good to proceed with my second cycle.

First cycle:
test-e/500mg weeks 1-10, Test-p/500mg weeks 10-12 and then 4 weeks pct nolvadex and clomid. Ai on hand

results:
my starting weight was 83kg and i got to 94-95kg. after my pct i dropped down to around 90kg and i've held that weight since january comfortably.
i am really happy with them results, got some good size in my shoulders,chest and quads.

My second cycle:
With the great results i got in my past cycle i wanted to experiment with some oral compounds.
My goal is to get into phenomenal shape, with clean cuts and a hard look while maintaining as much mass as possible.

I am going to america for 2 weeks at the end of august so i will have to do my last pin of test e the day before i leave =P.
Then start PCT when i come home as all the compounds im using are illegal in america.

So it's looking like this so far.

Week
1-4 Test-p 100mg Eod
1-12 Test E 500mg a week (should i pin once a week or twice a week or every 3 days)
1-5 Tbol 60mg a day
6-12 Var 60mg a day
12-14 off (america)
14-18 pct nolvadex and clomid (my balls came back no problem after 4 weeks of pct)

do you suggest 10 weeks or 12 obviously time frames would change if i proceeded with a 10 week.

Ai on hand (arimidex )

Is my kickstarter a bit of an over kill?

liver support will be liv52, Nac and Alpha lipoic acid

I used B5 for some mild acne and DAA during my PCT for recovery plus creatine and beta alanine

i would really appreciate your advice and if you have any other questions feel free to ask =]

Thanks
Nicknack

**ePeeZy** · 05-11-2016, 04:06 PM

Test E should be pinned 2x/week I do Mon, Thurs.

I would run the Arimidex .25mg EOD

If you are wanting to cut, you will have a hard time doing so on that much test most likely. It bloats me considerably at that dose, but everyone is different. If cutting is the goal, you'd probably have better results just running prop instead of enanthate .

Kickstarter is fine.

I would run 12 weeks.

BG · 05-11-2016, 05:38 PM

I agree. If you keep the test lower or just run prop you will be happier.

**NickNack** · 05-11-2016, 06:22 PM

I would do prop through out but like I said I'm going to America so I won't be able to do my PCT after the prop where as with the enth I have 2 weeks off so it works out better.

If I do .25 ai EOD will that reduce my bloat?

Is everything else OK?

**Back In Black** · 05-12-2016, 12:59 AM

You could run 8 weeks of prop and still have your PCT done before you go away.

You don't mention your goals.

Definitely run your AI it shouldn't be on hand. Grab some HCG too, 250ius X 2 pw.

**NickNack** · 05-12-2016, 07:18 AM

But I can't run my correct PCT while I'm in America because clomid and novladex are illegal without prescription. My balls grew back fine after my last cycle so I think hcg isn't necessary.

I did mention my goal.

"My goal is to get into phenomenal shape, with clean cuts and a hard look while maintaining as much mass as possible"

**Back In Black** · 05-12-2016, 08:55 AM

Test e for 12 weeks then you go to America

Test p for 8 weeks with a 4 week pct = 12 weeks.same, same.

Forget the tbol and run var for the duration of your prop cycle.

Just because your balls grew back only means you recovered cosmetically. No guarantee your Actually 'recovered'. HCG will help.

**NickNack** · 05-12-2016, 10:19 AM

8 weeks prop does sound quite nice but will I retain that hard full look while abroad after my 8 weeks prop/var and 4 weeks PCT?

I was under the impression that hcg just prevents testy atrophy not prevent testosterone shutdown. Correct me if I'm wrong, my hcg knowledge is limited.

**Back In Black** · 05-12-2016, 10:39 AM

You would only look hard and full if your diet is on point regardless. All things being equal you would probably look better after cycle and before PCT.

Way more to HCG than you think, here, read this.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

**NickNack** · 05-12-2016, 02:10 PM

very informative article, could see how much it will cost and consider it.

If i do decide to do either 12 weeks of test-e or 8 weeks of test-p, what dosages would you guys recommend. thanks

**Back In Black** · 05-12-2016, 02:28 PM

Test e - 250mg X 2 pw

Test p - 125mg-150mg EOD.

**ePeeZy** · 05-12-2016, 03:05 PM

I agree with Black on Test P, but on Test E, I can't go much higher than 300mg/week without bloating even with AI.

Everyone is different, and it's diet dependent, but I was on Keto trying to cut, with 500mg/week I couldn't keep the bloat down.

You could run 500mg up to week 10 and start Prop on week 9 cutting out Test E for the last 2 weeks, water weight would most likely fall off assuming your diet is good.