Cycling vs Blast and Cruise- Effects on Fertility

[Mike5909]

Hey guys, I'm sure a lot of people have posted this question on here in some way shape or form but I keep hearing a lot of different opinions on it. Let me start by saying I'm 24 years old, in the midst of my first cycle. I've gotten my test level checked 5 different times before deciding to take steroids and it's always around 400 ng/DL which is on the low side for my age. It seems that most of what I've seen says to wait until after you have kids before staying on test, but being that my levels aren't that high I would love to stay on and then come off in 6 or 7 years when I decide to have kids. I talked with my endocrinologist and he told me the opposite of what I've been seeing on the Internet- that it doesn't matter if I cycle or blast/cruise, there will be the same recovery period after I decide to come off and most likely my sperm levels will go back to normal. He also said that HCG is pretty pointless since its main function is to keep you sterile while on steroids, which doesn't matter for me right now. My question is, should I take his advice, and blast/cruise for the next 6 years and just assume I can come off and everything will work? Is HCG necessary? Or is this guy a quack and everything he told me is wrong? Before I make the decision to stay with cycling or blast/cruise I wanted to see another doctor for a 2nd opinion, but if anyone on here has any knowledge about this or experience, any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. I would much rather stay on all the time since my test levels aren't great, but fertility later on in life is a higher priority for me.

[numbere]

I talked with my endocrinologist and he told me the opposite of what I've been seeing on the Internet- that it doesn't matter if I cycle or blast/cruise, there will be the same recovery period after I decide to come off and most likely my sperm levels will go back to normal. He also said that HCG is pretty pointless since its main function is to keep you sterile while on steroids, which doesn't matter for me right now.

I find it hard to believe that a licensed endocrinologist made these statements.


No, you should avoid blasting and cruising.

Yes, hcg is necessary.

[Simon1972]

I find it hard to believe that a licensed endocrinologist made these statements.


No, you should avoid blasting and cruising.

Yes, hcg is necessary.

Agreed, stop visiting endos that run their businesses from gym carparks.

[Mr.BB]

Agreed, stop visiting endos that run their businesses from gym carparks.

Ahahaha... Nice one Simon.

[Mike5909]

I find it hard to believe that a licensed endocrinologist made these statements.

No, you should avoid blasting and cruising.

Yes, hcg is necessary.

So even when cycling you think hcg is necessary? I know people who have never touched hcg and others who swear by it.

[DROY]

HCG isn't 'necessary', but it sure makes life a lot easier and more comfortable. I wouldn't do a cycle without it.

[Mike5909]

HCG isn't 'necessary', but it sure makes life a lot easier and more comfortable. I wouldn't do a cycle without it.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean it makes it easier during pct? Im about 6 weeks in on a test e dbol cycle and haven't ran into any problems yet

[numbere]

What do you mean by that? Do you mean it makes it easier during pct? Im about 6 weeks in on a test e dbol cycle and haven't ran into any problems yet

If you put any value in to your balls working then hcg is necessary.

When you take an AAS your hypothalamus stops signaling your pituitary to release lh and fsh.

Lh signals your testicles to produce testosterone.

Hcg mimics lh, this means your testicles never shut down while on cycle if you take hcg.

You should source some hcg and begin taking 250IU twice per day until 2-3 days before PCT.

[DROY]

He meant twice per week...

[Mike5909]

If you put any value in to your balls working then hcg is necessary.

When you take an AAS your hypothalamus stops signaling your pituitary to release lh and fsh.

Lh signals your testicles to produce testosterone.

Hcg mimics lh, this means your testicles never shut down while on cycle if you take hcg.

You should source some hcg and begin taking 250IU twice per day until 2-3 days before PCT.

So you're saying if I take hcg my balls will keep producing testosterone, so once i come off cycle I will have an easier time with pct since my balls wont stop producing naturally. Does this mean many of the "downs" during pct will be eliminated or reduced?

[numbere]

So you're saying if I take hcg my balls will keep producing testosterone, so once i come off cycle I will have an easier time with pct since my balls wont stop producing naturally. Does this mean many of the "downs" during pct will be eliminated or reduced?

Yes that's what I'm saying.

Taking hcg while on cycle does make PCT more effective because your testicles never fully shut down.

Testicle fiction aside lh is necessary for natural hormonal balance.

[Mike5909]

Yes that's what I'm saying.

Taking hcg while on cycle does make PCT more effective because your testicles never fully shut down.

Testicle fiction aside lh is necessary for natural hormonal balance.

Ok thanks for your help. I only have 2 weeks left of my cycle. Does it pay to take hcg for the last week or 2 (if i can even find some that quickly) or should I just wait until my next cycle?

[numbere]

Ok thanks for your help. I only have 2 weeks left of my cycle. Does it pay to take hcg for the last week or 2 (if i can even find some that quickly) or should I just wait until my next cycle?

To be honest I'm not really sure how much you'd benefit from implementing hcg at this point.

If you can find some soon then I suppose better late then never.

If not then at least you know for next cycle.

[Mike5909]

To be honest I'm not really sure how much you'd benefit from implementing hcg at this point.

If you can find some soon then I suppose better late then never.

If not then at least you know for next cycle.

Are there any reputable websites for hcg? Or is that not allowed to be mentioned on the forum? I don't really know of anyone who can get it and see there are a million different sites that sell it. Are most of these sites ok to buy from?

[Juced_porkchop]

So even when cycling you think hcg is necessary? I know people who have never touched hcg and others who swear by it.

HCG IS NOT NECESSARY. BUT it IS helpful to use at end of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT or you can use it during cycle to help ball size + recovery after cycle if that is a concern.

even if you go on hrt and blast and cruse its a personal choice/opinion if you should use it.
I dont care about my ball size and am on hrt when not on cycle so i dont use it.

also the doc sounds liek an ideot no offence. HCG used to keep you sterile? thats silly.

i know people that got babies while on hrt and even ON cycle. yes it causes shutdown, but it doesnt mean you cant hve kids. for some it may make it nearly impossible while others still end up getting the girl preg. kinda like with people that have never used a steroid. some have issues and others dont. if your pron to issues using aas or being on hrt will ofcourse make it worse.
but you can also do a run of hcg and/or clomid while still on hrt to up the chances of preg once ready for kid. if that isnt enough then consider taking a SHORT break from hrt while using a SERM to help put one in the oven.

[Mike5909]

HCG IS NOT NECESSARY. BUT it IS helpful to use at end of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT or you can use it during cycle to help ball size + recovery after cycle if that is a concern.

even if you go on hrt and blast and cruse its a personal choice/opinion if you should use it.
I dont care about my ball size and am on hrt when not on cycle so i dont use it.

also the doc sounds liek an ideot no offence. HCG used to keep you sterile? thats silly.

i know people that got babies while on hrt and even ON cycle. yes it causes shutdown, but it doesnt mean you cant hve kids. for some it may make it nearly impossible while others still end up getting the girl preg. kinda like with people that have never used a steroid. some have issues and others dont. if your pron to issues using aas or being on hrt will ofcourse make it worse.
but you can also do a run of hcg and/or clomid while still on hrt to up the chances of preg once ready for kid. if that isnt enough then consider taking a SHORT break from hrt while using a SERM to help put one in the oven.

That's what I'm saying. I dont care much about the size of my balls either. So is there more of a risk doing blast/cruise/hrt than cycling for fertility issues? If I want to have a kid in 6 years can I just assume I can come off with some therapy and there will be no problems in 6 months or a year or whatever the recovery period is? Or is cycling the clear better option for someone young like me

[Simon1972]

In short, hcg keeps your balls running ,its like idling a car. Or you can shut the engine off and disconnect the battery for 3. Months and hope it restarts.

If having kids is a priority, take hcg until you start pct. You need to keep your balls idling.

[kelkel]

What you need to do is find out why you're at a 400 level and fix it. Something is probably suppressing your endogenous production and your doctors are not looking for it as you are still "in range," albeit the low end of it.

[Mike5909]

What you need to do is find out why you're at a 400 level and fix it. Something is probably suppressing your endogenous production and your doctors are not looking for it as you are still "in range," albeit the low end of it.

I've seen 3 or 4 different doctors and none of them seem to think the 400 level is a concern. I've expressed that I've seen all over the place that my level should be 600 or 700 but they all say that 400 is normal. I know the normal range is really broad and not accurate but I can't seem to find a doctor who will look into the problem

[kelkel]

I've seen 3 or 4 different doctors and none of them seem to think the 400 level is a concern. I've expressed that I've seen all over the place that my level should be 600 or 700 but they all say that 400 is normal. I know the normal range is really broad and not accurate but I can't seem to find a doctor who will look into the problem

Unfortunately it's a common theme with doctors. They treat the numbers on a chart instead of the patient. Keep looking for a modern doc who's up with hormones. It will be worth it when you find one. Check out the A4M Doctor finder. It may help. You can also post up the area you live in as there may be a member in the area with knowledge of a good doc.

[Back In Black]

Make sure you drop the dbol now.

Why only 8 weeks of test e?

[Mike5909]

Make sure you drop the dbol now.

Why only 8 weeks of test e?

I am going out of the country for 5 days during the 8th week so doing my last pin the day before I leave. I mean I guess technically I can skip a day or 2 and continue the test e for another 2 weeks but figured 8 weeks was good enough. I did the dbol weeks 1-4

[Mike5909]

Unfortunately it's a common theme with doctors. They treat the numbers on a chart instead of the patient. Keep looking for a modern doc who's up with hormones. It will be worth it when you find one. Check out the A4M Doctor finder. It may help. You can also post up the area you live in as there may be a member in the area with knowledge of a good doc.

Thanks for the info. Im in the NYC area if anyone has a doctor they'd recommend nearby

[Mike5909]

Make sure you drop the dbol now.

Why only 8 weeks of test e?

If I were to extend the cycle longer, how would I approach it? If I pin sun and thurs and im leaving on a Monday and coming back Saturday. Would i just skip thursdays pin and continue sunday?

[Back In Black]

If I were to extend the cycle longer, how would I approach it? If I pin sun and thurs and im leaving on a Monday and coming back Saturday. Would i just skip thursdays pin and continue sunday?

Pin on the Saturday and then back to Thursday and Sunday. You will be selling yourself well short with only 8 weeks, run 12 if you can

[Mike5909]

Pin on the Saturday and then back to Thursday and Sunday. You will be selling yourself well short with only 8 weeks, run 12 if you can

Ok thats what I'll do then. Thanks for the advice

[Mike5909]

Yes that's what I'm saying.

Taking hcg while on cycle does make PCT more effective because your testicles never fully shut down.

Testicle fiction aside lh is necessary for natural hormonal balance.

Since I'm extending my cycle I think I can get my hands on some hcg in time. What do you recommend as a dosing protocol? I'm seeing 500iu per day last 10 days. So if i run my cycle 12 weeks id begin 10 days before last shot. Is that ok?

[kelkel]

Testicle fiction

Sounds like a new catch phrase......or I'm changing my name to it here......can't decide.

[numbere]

Since I'm extending my cycle I think I can get my hands on some hcg in time. What do you recommend as a dosing protocol? I'm seeing 500iu per day last 10 days. So if i run my cycle 12 weeks id begin 10 days before last shot. Is that ok?

If you can source some hcg the dose it 250IU twice per week as soon as you get it up to 2-3 days before PCT.

If you can't get any hcg I doubt your world will end.

Sounds like a new catch phrase......or I'm changing my name to it here......can't decide.

Haha, testicle fiction.

Better not change your name.

Haz doesn't need anymore dirt on you.