Not getting any younger. LETS GOOOOO

[Wallstreetbully]

Hello everyone. I haven't been on here in years, so please bare with me. I'm 34 yrs old, & still haven't entered the big kids club (LOL). NO PREVIOUS CYCLE EXPERIENCE! Planned to do this back when I was 24, but never acted on it. 10 years later & the itch is back. Only this time it's goin down! My goal is to gain lean muscle, with as little bloat as possible. My diet is pretty tight, & I want to stay/get as lean as possible while on. I'm gonna run 1 of these options below. I'm still undecided tho. One includes Tren, & the other includes EQ. I know these are way different compounds, but the benefits of Tren are so damn tempting! Really concerned about the sides tho. Also, is EQ even worth running? I get a lot of mixed reviews on both. Here's the breakdown of both. Please assume that my diet is on point as well.
Any feedback is appreciated.

Stats:Natural, 6ft, 215Lbs, BF (No Clue)


Cycle #1
(wk 1-12) Sust 250mg (mon/wed/fri)
(wk 4-12) Tren Ace 100mg (mon/wed/fri)
(wk 1-12) Arimidex (1mg EOD)
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Cycle #2
(wk 1-12) Sust 250mg (mon/wed/fri)
(wk 1-12) Eq 200mg (Monday and Friday)
(wk 1-12) Arimidex (1mg EOD)
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*PCT FOR BOTH
{1 wk after last pin, for 21 days}
Clom @ 50mg/day
Nolva @ 20mg/day

[numbere]

What's your previous cycling experience?

[Wallstreetbully]

What's your previous cycling experience?

First time my man. Should have been more clear about that. Sorry

[numbere]

First time my man. Should have been more clear about that. Sorry

It's fine man, no need to apologize.

That would explain a few things about your proposed cycles lol.

You have a really solid base, nice work.

Please read the attached thread below.


My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[Wallstreetbully]

It's fine man, no need to apologize.

That would explain a few things about your proposed cycles lol.

You have a really solid base, nice work.

Please read the attached thread below.


My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Hahahah...man I read this late last night, after I made this post. They should almost make everyone read this before being able to post. Here's my only issue. The man who created the 2 cycles I posted is an 8 year pro, & knows all about me. After reading that link you posted, I have so many questions for him now. I do know that I'm gonna continue Arimidex up until I begin PCT. I have to sit down & go through the rest tho. Thanks for the compliment btw

[numbere]

Hahahah...man I read this late last night, after I made this post. They should almost make everyone read this before being able to post. Here's my only issue. The man who created the 2 cycles I posted is an 8 year pro, & knows all about me. After reading that link you posted, I have so many questions for him now. I do know that I'm gonna continue Arimidex up until I begin PCT. I have to sit down & go through the rest tho.

You're friend who created this cycles for you is an absolute idiot and does not have your health in mind.

Please don't take his advice.

If you have questions ask them here.

[Mr.BB]

Just because your friend is pro doesnt mean he knows a great deal of endocrinology, most dont really know the mechanisms of what they take.

Follow the link provided above and educate yourself its the best advice, beware of bro-science.

Dont overlook the bloodwork.

[Wallstreetbully]

Just because your friend is pro doesnt mean he knows a great deal of endocrinology, most dont really know the mechanisms of what they take.

Follow the link provided above and educate yourself its the best advice, beware of bro-science.

Dont overlook the bloodwork.

Completely understand.
Originally I was gonna run Test E only, at 500mg/wk.
But I didn't like the idea of the Test E taking 4-5 weeks for me to notice. I'm thinking I'll only be able to notice for 7-8 wks of a 12 wk cycle. So I looked into Sust, & that seemed to make sense since it kicks in faster, & produces less bloat. Now the Tren on the other hand. I'm really iffy about that. So the Sust/Eq cycle is a bust as well?

[Wallstreetbully]

You're friend who created this cycles for you is an absolute idiot and does not have your health in mind.

Please don't take his advice.

If you have questions ask them here.

Completely understand.
Originally I was gonna run Test E only, at 500mg/wk.
But I didn't like the idea of the Test E taking 4-5 weeks for me to notice. I'm thinking I'll only be able to notice for 7-8 wks of a 12 wk cycle. So I looked into Sust, & that seemed to make sense since it kicks in faster, & produces less bloat. Now the Tren on the other hand. I'm really iffy about that. So the Sust/Eq cycle is a bust as well?

[kelkel]

You'll be amazed at what a properly run test only cycle will do for you, as described in the link you've been given. More is not better. Learn what test will do for you by itself and how you'll react to it. And be patient. It's worth the wait for it to kick in.

Nice work on your physique and welcome to the forum.

[Wallstreetbully]

You'll be amazed at what a properly run test only cycle will do for you, as described in the link you've been given. More is not better. Learn what test will do for you by itself and how you'll react to it. And be patient. It's worth the wait for it to kick in.

Nice work on your physique and welcome to the forum.

There he is!
I was hoping to see that big back avatar on this post (lol). So I appreciate everything you guys are saying, and I'll go test only. I already have the Sust tho :/
I could get some Test E, but do you guys think I reall need to run that over Sust?

[NACH3]

There he is!
I was hoping to see that big back avatar on this post (lol). So I appreciate everything you guys are saying, and I'll go test only. I already have the Sust tho :/
I could get some Test E, but do you guys think I reall need to run that over Sust?

Test is test - although we do like to stick to test e or C for first timers... However, I myself used prop my first go around.
Most will tell you about props debilitating PIP(post injection pain) and others seem not to have the issue(either way you'll feel it in a virgin muscle)!

I think you can get away with sust for a first cycle(but it's got 4 esters in it) propionate/phenyl propionate/isocaproate/& Decanate) so it goes shortest/short/long/longer(Decanate 21 days post injection to start PCT)

[Wallstreetbully]

Test is test - although we do like to stick to test e or C for first timers... However, I myself used prop my first go around.
Most will tell you about props debilitating PIP(post injection pain) and others seem not to have the issue(either way you'll feel it in a virgin muscle)!

I think you can get away with sust for a first cycle(but it's got 4 esters in it) propionate/phenyl propionate/isocaproate/& Decanate) so it goes shortest/short/long/longer(Decanate 21 days post injection to start PCT)

Was hoping you'd jump on here as well.
So you're saying to start pct 21 days after last pin, if I use Sust?

[Mr.BB]

Blends are not ideal as first cycle because the diff esters make it a roller coaster.

The kick in time of test E is a myth. Yes you will only reach 100% serum levels in 4 weeks, but 2 weeks in you already have 75% serum levels, which is a lot specially for a first timer. Totally normal to have 10lbs more at week 4-5.


(Thanks DLD )

[Wallstreetbully]

So I decided to grab some Test E 250.
I'll keep the Sust, & run it on the next cycle.

So here's what I'm planning to do.

(Wk 1-12) Test E @ 500mg/wk
(Wk 1-12) Eq @ 400mg/wk
(Wk 1-14) Arimedex @ 0.5mg/ed (up until PCT starts)

(PCT) to begin 14 days after final injection, lasting 4 wks.
Clomid @ 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

Liver support
600mg of (NAC) daily.

[Wallstreetbully]

Test is test - although we do like to stick to test e or C for first timers... However, I myself used prop my first go around.
Most will tell you about props debilitating PIP(post injection pain) and others seem not to have the issue(either way you'll feel it in a virgin muscle)!

I think you can get away with sust for a first cycle(but it's got 4 esters in it) propionate/phenyl propionate/isocaproate/& Decanate) so it goes shortest/short/long/longer(Decanate 21 days post injection to start PCT)

Any thoughts on the revised cycle below?

[Wallstreetbully]

You'll be amazed at what a properly run test only cycle will do for you, as described in the link you've been given. More is not better. Learn what test will do for you by itself and how you'll react to it. And be patient. It's worth the wait for it to kick in.

Nice work on your physique and welcome to the forum.

Any thoughts on the revised cycle below?