It has begun!!!! ( pics inside )

[Wallstreetbully]

So after getting great advice from some of you in here, I decide to make my very first cycle a Test E (ONLY) cycle at 600mg/wk. My Test E is dosed at 300mg/cc, so I decided to keep it simple & just do 600mg/wk. I actually pinned for the first time Monday night. I didn't get my blood work done before my cycle, but I'll stay on schedule for blood work from here on out. I've attached 2 pictures that I took yesterday evening, just to give everyone an idea of my starting point. I'm gonna run this for 12 wks as follows.
Wish me luck fellas

(Wk 1-12) Test E @ 600mg/wk
(Wk 1-14) Arimedex @ 0.5mg/ed (up until PCT starts)
(PCT) to begin 14 days after final injection, lasting 4 wks.
Clomid @ 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

Liver support
600mg of (NAC) daily.

[Gloopo]

Im new here and learning.. But isnt hcg recommended?

[Wallstreetbully]

Im new here and learning.. But isnt hcg recommended?

I've heard both yes & no.
At this point, I honestly don't know my man.

[Gloopo]

From my understanding, better safe than sorry..

[Strongblood]

So after getting great advice from some of you in here, I decide to make my very first cycle a Test E (ONLY) cycle at 600mg/wk. My Test E is dosed at 300mg/cc, so I decided to keep it simple & just do 600mg/wk. I actually pinned for the first time Monday night. I didn't get my blood work done before my cycle, but I'll stay on schedule for blood work from here on out. I've attached 2 pictures that I took yesterday evening, just to give everyone an idea of my starting point. I'm gonna run this for 12 wks as follows. Wish me luck fellas (Wk 1-12) Test E @ 600mg/wk (Wk 1-14) Arimedex @ 0.5mg/ed (up until PCT starts) (PCT) to begin 14 days after final injection, lasting 4 wks. Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20 Liver support 600mg of (NAC) daily.

Everything looks good to me, WSB! HCG would really help to keep your balls from shrinking up. And aid your pct. Good luck brother!

[Back In Black]

Hcg will help.

I think you ai dose is way too high. 0.25mg eod is a recommended starting point. You are starting with 4 times that amount.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Im new here and learning.. But isnt hcg recommended?

Hcg should be run last 4-6 weeks of the cycle. (Dylan Gemelli)

[Gloopo]

Hcg should be run last 4-6 weeks of the cycle. (Dylan Gemelli)

Ty for reply..

According to what i read, hcg should begin at first injection. The reason is test shut testical production as soon as its injected. So why wait weeks to begin treatment? It would make sense to begin treatment as soon as injected???

Sorry for hijack of thread.

[micutz24]

U should start hcg ,coz u will have lots of problem if not .

[Wallstreetbully]

Hcg will help.

I think you ai dose is way too high. 0.25mg eod is a recommended starting point. You are starting with 4 times that amount.

I'm screwed here then, because my ai is in capsule form, & not a solid pill

[Mr.BB]

Hcg should be run last 4-6 weeks of the cycle. (Dylan Gemelli)

Who is Dylan Gemelli? Some famous endocrinologist? Never heard of him

[Gloopo]

I'm screwed here then, because my ai is in capsule form, & not a solid pill

Divide it in half.. take eod

[FONZY007]

I'm screwed here then, because my ai is in capsule form, & not a solid pill

Then maybe take every 3 days half a pill, if need more go half a pill eod

[MrFreshmaker]

Who is Dylan Gemelli? Some famous endocrinologist? Never heard of him

A "bodybuilder" lol...even my 13 yo son looks better than him!

[Mr.BB]

A "bodybuilder" lol...even my 13 yo son looks better than him!

Kinda googled him and most of what he says involves that supplement with a bunch of herbs called hcgenerate. Sil probably thought he was talking about human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) and he was only talking about the herbs.

[Wallstreetbully]

Lol @ the Dylan Gemelli comments ��

[Sfla80]

I'm screwed here then, because my ai is in capsule form, & not a solid pill

So you have caps.

What r they dosed at? .5mg?

[InternalFire]

Hcg should be run last 4-6 weeks of the cycle. (Dylan Gemelli)

Brother, why do that, Rich Piana, Dilan Gimeli, who else after this? I see you're pretty passionate about what they preach but do you even walk their talk to give advice to others? I see alot of controversy in what you preach yourself, just because you tried something once or few times without having actual results that you enjoyed so far I understand you go around advising people on what to do, I just dont see the meaning, two wrongs dont make 1 right. Why spew such advices at all?

Bro, Im trying not to get personal here at all, but patience and learning things and withholding uncertain info is better than go round and preach unproven stuff/facts. Peace my man, I wish you well, honestly, we all need patience and be more humble in how we approach situations.

To the OP:

HCG 2 x 250iu twice a week from the beginning of your cycle until the last pin of your cycle. Keeping gonads running while on cycle will make your PCT an easy, plus your well being should increase during cycle too.

Agree with AI, 0.25 EOD is what's known staple, of course if you're getting it in capsule form could use E3D or split them caps and divide powder in half, or get jewellery scales that measure in 0.0001g and have fun with that, helps so much all round.

[almostgone]

Who is Dylan Gemelli? Some famous endocrinologist? Never heard of him

He's one of the ones that pushes SARMS and HCGenerate, etc. on unsuspecting people; defo not an endo. Not going to berate him.since that isn't our goal, but do some.YouTube work and Google. I doubt you will be impressed, BB.

[Wallstreetbully]

So you have caps.

What r they dosed at? .5mg?

Caps @ 1mg/cap

[Sfla80]

Caps @ 1mg/cap

Definitely need to figure a way to split those down

[Wallstreetbully]

Definitely need to figure a way to split those down

I just pulled one apart, just to see
I'll do half of one eod

[InternalFire]

Quarter of it EOD would be ideal, or half E4D

[Wallstreetbully]

This was originally going to be my pct.
I still wasn't running HCG during the cycle,
but it was added in my PCT.
Any thoughts?

Days 1-10
HCG (1000 Units / eod)
Aromasin (25mg/day)
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Days 11-24
Clomid (50mg/day)
Nolvadex (20mg/day)

[kelkel]

WSB is there a reason you don't want to run it during cycle? During pct is old school. The goal is to not totally shut down testicular function throughout the cycle.

Physique wise you look great and if you do this properly along with great training and nutrition you'll make substantial progress.

[Wallstreetbully]

WSB is there a reason you don't want to run it during cycle? During pct is old school. The goal is to not totally shut down testicular function throughout the cycle.

Physique wise you look great and if you do this properly along with great training and nutrition you'll make substantial progress.

Thanks for the compliment.
Honestly, Up until I joined this forum, that's the only way I've ever known.
If I run the HCG during the cycle, will it keep me from getting the absolute most
from the Test E? Also, how exactly would you recommend running HCG during the cycle? I can have it by Friday, & I could start that day.

[InternalFire]

Thanks for the compliment.
Honestly, Up until I joined this forum, that's the only way I've ever known.
If I run the HCG during the cycle, will it keep me from getting the absolute most
from the Test E? Also, how exactly would you recommend running HCG during the cycle? I can have it by Friday, & I could start that day.

if you mean if it will prevent you from shutting down? if you ran your cycle as planned, you're 100% shutdown, "upstairs and downstairs".

You should run 2 x 250iu HCG a week (not more than 3 x 250iu HCG a week) too much HCG & too frequent puts risk on your balls getting desensitized and then you're in trouble big time. Lack of HCG during cycle will put them boys to sleep for the term of your cycle and it does take at least some months to get them pumping natural test full throttle again, so why would you pass the option on having them working 24/7 this entire time and when your cycle is over you cut your HCG and run your clomid/nolva combo to give extra kick "downstairs and upstairs", but keep in mind, your testes never powers down so you save yourself some time without need of waiting till all your departments start firing all the cylinders. This makes sense?

[musclestack]

These guys have you pretty well sorted out with the cycle. Just wanted to pop in and compliment you on your physique. Great, solid foundation. It's refreshing to see someone who has put in the work naturally and is disciplined enough to follow through with a regimen without gear before jumping in head first. It's your type that is most likely to see long term success in this lifestyle. Good luck on your cycle!

[Wallstreetbully]

if you mean if it will prevent you from shutting down? if you ran your cycle as planned, you're 100% shutdown, "upstairs and downstairs".

You should run 2 x 250iu HCG a week (not more than 3 x 250iu HCG a week) too much HCG & too frequent puts risk on your balls getting desensitized and then you're in trouble big time. Lack of HCG during cycle will put them boys to sleep for the term of your cycle and it does take at least some months to get them pumping natural test full throttle again, so why would you pass the option on having them working 24/7 this entire time and when your cycle is over you cut your HCG and run your clomid/nolva combo to give extra kick "downstairs and upstairs", but keep in mind, your testes never powers down so you save yourself some time without need of waiting till all your departments start firing all the cylinders. This makes sense?

I was asking, if HCG during a cycle keeps the boys full, does it weaken the strength of the Test E?

Also, I've been researching this throughout the day.
What I've seen most is that HCG should only be ran the final 4 wks of a cycle.
Dosage at 500iu-1000iu per wk. Then start PCT as scheduled.

It said prolonged use of HCG can do some serious damage.

Your thoughts?

[Wallstreetbully]

These guys have you pretty well sorted out with the cycle. Just wanted to pop in and compliment you on your physique. Great, solid foundation. It's refreshing to see someone who has put in the work naturally and is disciplined enough to follow through with a regimen without gear before jumping in head first. It's your type that is most likely to see long term success in this lifestyle. Good luck on your cycle!

Thanks man. I appreciate it.
I was actually going to wait a bit longer, but I'm getting old....lol

[DGenRit]

I would up the NAC to 1200 ED. Works well for me there.

[kelkel]

I was asking, if HCG during a cycle keeps the boys full, does it weaken the strength of the Test E?

Also, I've been researching this throughout the day.
What I've seen most is that HCG should only be ran the final 4 wks of a cycle.
Dosage at 500iu-1000iu per wk. Then start PCT as scheduled.

It said prolonged use of HCG can do some serious damage.

Your thoughts?

Yes, it keeps your testicals functioning and fuller. In no way, shape or form does it or can it weaken Test E. Two different things.
Last 4 weeks is nothing more than old school dogma. Why would anyone want to let their boys lose total function and wither when they don't have to?
Sure, prolonged use of HCG in excessive doses can desensitize you, but not in the doses recommended by the guys here or in the First Cycle Thread.
Realize that guys on TRT use HCG all the time in doses that range from 500 up to 1000 per week. HCG mono-therapy is also used as a form of TRT.

[Charlie67]

Its weird how seemingly average threads (eg: welcome posts, and first cycle posts) develop in to such great informational and helpful conversations. It says a lot about this forum.