How dramatic are the effects of a Tren/Test E Bulk (first cycle)

[MMA_Influenced]

Listen, im not going to beat around the bush im shooting for some dramatic effects. I have everything i need for pct and for anti-estrogen/progestron. Im looking for some serious results in the mirror and here is my cycle. If its too much please let me know.

Week 1-6 600mg per week Test E (I will be frontloading the first few weeks not sure how much yet)
Week 7-14 200mg per week Test E
Week 7-14 350mg per week Tren A
Pct.

Im looking to add lots of leanbody mass but stay lean so i was really interested in tren. I heard the sides could be rough but after reading the list i feel very confident i can handle them. (On paper). Ive been through worse.

Was the test E alone for 14 weeks enough? Is doing Tren first cycle just overkill or no?

I got a feeling some of the vets may be able to set me straight.. or if not maybe then i will know im not crazy for tren on my first cycle.

Like I said.. staying lean was important to me.. i love the idea of tren bulking for this.. highly androgenic and anabolic.. low water retention and fat gain...seems right up my alley.

[FONZY007]

Listen, im not going to beat around the bush im shooting for some dramatic effects. I have everything i need for pct and for anti-estrogen/progestron. Im looking for some serious results in the mirror and here is my cycle. If its too much please let me know.

Week 1-6 600mg per week Test E (I will be frontloading the first few weeks not sure how much yet)
Week 7-14 200mg per week Test E
Week 7-14 350mg per week Tren A
Pct.

Im looking to add lots of leanbody mass but stay lean so i was really interested in tren. I heard the sides could be rough but after reading the list i feel very confident i can handle them. (On paper). Ive been through worse.

Was the test E alone for 14 weeks enough? Is doing Tren first cycle just overkill or no?

I got a feeling some of the vets may be able to set me straight.. or if not maybe then i will know im not crazy for tren on my first cycle.

Like I said.. staying lean was important to me.. i love the idea of tren bulking for this.. highly androgenic and anabolic.. low water retention and fat gain...seems right up my alley.

I would dump the tren E, if your not experienced with Tren before then just use tren A. If sides become to much you can discontinue use a be back to normal fairly quick.

[ghettoboyd]

yes the tren is overkill for first cycle...your over your head on this one...first you have no idea how you will take to the injections...second you heave no experience with either compound from which to draw on when you start having sides let alone which compound is causing it...whats the hurry here why not do this right with one compound and gain some experience then go from there...it is pointless to stack first cycle when again you are clueless except for what you have read in the few weeks you have been here...regardless, do what you like just remember aas isn't magic and you will most likely not acquire the body of your dream with one cycle...good luck

[MMA_Influenced]

Thanks for the responses guys! Fozzy it is tren A not Tren E.

Also, I have been studying this for years not weeks. And extensively. I did also have a previous cycle i dont count because it ended in week 6 with an injury i sustained doing a sport not while lifting whicj cut the program short. I dealth with the Test E perfectly fine at 600mg a week.

I want dramatic results. If i get to week 7 and im seeing that i doubt i would go Tren but if im getting bloated and still not gaining fast enough to finish the cycle up 20 pounds in lean mass its going to be tempting to go tren to say the least.

Im starting to think the Test E is more than enough..maybe im just falling in love with all the compounds and the effects and how some of the vets make their cocktails of powerful compounds. There is something sexy about it.

Also, Tren really does fit what i want.. lean gains...no bloating. I dont know if i would consider a maintainance dose of test a stack.

Look at it as moving from Test to Tren at week 7. The test im taking after that point is only for maintainance reasons.

Is Tren too much for a noobie body like mine?

Thanks for the responses.. i got a feeling it isnt the answer i was hoping for but.

[Far from massive]

Honestly even with a front load your Test E will just be really starting to kick in good wks 4-6 so it would be a shame to dump it to a maintenance dose at that time.

Are you planning on doing another cycle (anytime soon) or just committed to doing one for now?

The reason I ask is why not go ahead and do say a 10 week cycle of Test E (if you are dead set on two compounds you could front it with an oral, for lean gains I would say Var would be a good choice as long as its legit) then after PCT and time off hit another cycle.

The cycle you have laid out will be a bitch to recover from and you will not be gaining that much from the Test since you will be cutting it back shortly after its working well.

If you for some reason you go against all the advice you are likely to recieve against Tren at this point, I think you would be better off doing a shorter cycle like 10wks with Tren A from say week two.

That's just me though and I am old and don't cycle due to TRT so wait for others to chime in before making a decision.

[Far from massive]

Let me totally retract the above post,

I just read on your Pharmacon post in the Discussion of steroid brands thread that you are 29 and your natty test is 470? and that you want to know what it feels like to have high test but DONT want to be on TRT?

Don't mean to be disrespectful but if you have studied for years about setting up this cycle as you posted in this thread, you should know how likely it will be that a long ass cycle particularly one with Tren will likely lead to TRT for the rest of your life.
As someone who at 58 found out they were around 280 it was still a hard decision whether to start TRT as it is a pain in the ass, thighs, delts (humor sorry) even at my age. I don't know if you have already sought out several opinions and test to diagnose the reason for your low test but I would for sure pursue that avenue to see what is going on and in the mean time Do Not do any exogenous AAS of any type as any use of AAS makes it more likely that you will indeed wind up on TRT the rest of your life.

With respect,

FFM

Best wishes whatever course of action you take.

[MMA_Influenced]

I think it was just enthusiasm. Ive decided to go Test E only. Should be plenty.

I just wanted to see what was said. And yes I knew people struggled to recover from Tren. Sometimes I just feel that I cam handle anything.

Reguardless Im able to change my mind and rethink things. The tren i will hold onto for a rainy day and see for now how a test E cycle goes.

Ive got my HCG in place and that should recover me at least back to where I was before this cycle I believe.

The issue is I probably could benefit from TRT done safely but unfortunetly i dont think i can depend on UGLs to be my consistent source for medication. Too risky. Also i dont think i can afford a decent trt doctor i think they are a rip off.

Right now im just going to be satisfied with cycling and someday maybe in my mid to late 30s i probably will be on trt and im okay with it.

[MMA_Influenced]

Let me totally retract the above post,

I just read on your Pharmacon post in the Discussion of steroid brands thread that you are 29 and your natty test is 470? and that you want to know what it feels like to have high test but DONT want to be on TRT?

Don't mean to be disrespectful but if you have studied for years about setting up this cycle as you posted in this thread, you should know how likely it will be that a long ass cycle particularly one with Tren will likely lead to TRT for the rest of your life.
As someone who at 58 found out they were around 280 it was still a hard decision whether to start TRT as it is a pain in the ass, thighs, delts (humor sorry) even at my age. I don't know if you have already sought out several opinions and test to diagnose the reason for your low test but I would for sure pursue that avenue to see what is going on and in the mean time Do Not do any exogenous AAS of any type as any use of AAS makes it more likely that you will indeed wind up on TRT the rest of your life.

With respect,

FFM

Best wishes whatever course of action you take.

Thanks a lot for the advice. I have been to an endocrinologist and long story short everythings fine but my body just naturally wants to produce the levels its producing and is satisfied with it despite the fact that i am average for someone in the 75-85 year old range in TOTAL TEST (471).

I acctually think I have far less to lose than most other men dealing with AAS because frankly I already am resigned to the fact of TRT for life.

If I was a guy with good natty levels I could say hey thats something to protect and not lose. But facts are facts. Im in my late 20s and I have the average test of my grandfathers generation. So.. to think by my late 30s or early 40s I wont be on TRT is hard for me. I already have been strongly considering it.

Im ready for a cycle.. my diet is perfect and i follow my workouts religiously. Also, i was able to prove that I dont have anything easily fixable wrong with me... my T levels just are what they are which basically means I should be able to recover my natty T levels as ceappy as they were as well or as good as anyone else doing pct to regain natty production.

Like I said me being on trt one day is pretty much a done deal.. Im at 471 now.. where will I be at 40? 50? 60? Quality of life will take a hit.

Anyway guys thanks for all the help.. I will be starting the Test when I finally cut those last 4 pounds (holding on to me for dear life). Then the first cycle bulk begins!

[73rr]

Listen, im not going to beat around the bush im shooting for some dramatic effects. I have everything i need for pct and for anti-estrogen/progestron. Im looking for some serious results in the mirror and here is my cycle. If its too much please let me know.

Week 1-6 600mg per week Test E (I will be frontloading the first few weeks not sure how much yet)
Week 7-14 200mg per week Test E
Week 7-14 350mg per week Tren A
Pct.

Im looking to add lots of leanbody mass but stay lean so i was really interested in tren. I heard the sides could be rough but after reading the list i feel very confident i can handle them. (On paper). Ive been through worse.

Was the test E alone for 14 weeks enough? Is doing Tren first cycle just overkill or no?

I got a feeling some of the vets may be able to set me straight.. or if not maybe then i will know im not crazy for tren on my first cycle.

Like I said.. staying lean was important to me.. i love the idea of tren bulking for this.. highly androgenic and anabolic.. low water retention and fat gain...seems right up my alley.

I'm really disappointed in u. Not like u care.


This is the exact reason I said what u said in pm.

[73rr]

Listen, im not going to beat around the bush im shooting for some dramatic effects. I have everything i need for pct and for anti-estrogen/progestron. Im looking for some serious results in the mirror and here is my cycle. If its too much please let me know.

Week 1-6 600mg per week Test E (I will be frontloading the first few weeks not sure how much yet)
Week 7-14 200mg per week Test E
Week 7-14 350mg per week Tren A
Pct.

Im looking to add lots of leanbody mass but stay lean so i was really interested in tren. I heard the sides could be rough but after reading the list i feel very confident i can handle them. (On paper). Ive been through worse.

Was the test E alone for 14 weeks enough? Is doing Tren first cycle just overkill or no?

I got a feeling some of the vets may be able to set me straight.. or if not maybe then i will know im not crazy for tren on my first cycle.

Like I said.. staying lean was important to me.. i love the idea of tren bulking for this.. highly androgenic and anabolic.. low water retention and fat gain...seems right up my alley.

I'm really disappointed in u. Not like u care.


This is the exact reason I said what i said in pm.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Listen, im not going to beat around the bush im shooting for some dramatic effects. I have everything i need for pct and for anti-estrogen/progestron. Im looking for some serious results in the mirror and here is my cycle. If its too much please let me know.

Week 1-6 600mg per week Test E (I will be frontloading the first few weeks not sure how much yet)
Week 7-14 200mg per week Test E
Week 7-14 350mg per week Tren A
Pct.

Im looking to add lots of leanbody mass but stay lean so i was really interested in tren. I heard the sides could be rough but after reading the list i feel very confident i can handle them. (On paper). Ive been through worse.

Was the test E alone for 14 weeks enough? Is doing Tren first cycle just overkill or no?

I got a feeling some of the vets may be able to set me straight.. or if not maybe then i will know im not crazy for tren on my first cycle.

Like I said.. staying lean was important to me.. i love the idea of tren bulking for this.. highly androgenic and anabolic.. low water retention and fat gain...seems right up my alley.

If you want dramatic effect you have come to the wrong place. Steroids are no magic pills. They just make what you already are doing 3-7 % better. If you look like shit you will look like shit at week 14. Steroids are the tip of the sword. Dont think the big dudes in the gym are big cause of steroids. If you dont think bcaas and chickenbreast and all that shit 24/7, forget it. If it was so easy, why dont you think there were ripped 250 pound guys allover?
Ofcourse you will feel like God a couple of weeks with crazy pump, but soon the body adapts and if you dont have the knowhow, you soon will be worse than ever. If you want to get prosize, then you must use insulin, peptides and growth, si.teinjections and maybe synthol. Aas will just give you a 80s body...at the very best.
Its complicated and dangerous. Thats why you should stick to test 500 only the first time and learn how to deal with sides and keep growing 12 weeks and be able to keep 50% of it for life. Wouldnt that be something....

[InternalFire]

If you want dramatic effect you have come to the wrong place. Steroids are no magic pills. They just make what you already are doing 3-7 % better. If you look like shit you will look like shit at week 14. Steroids are the tip of the sword. Dont think the big dudes in the gym are big cause of steroids. If you dont think bcaas and chickenbreast and all that shit 24/7, forget it. If it was so easy, why dont you think there were ripped 250 pound guys allover?
Ofcourse you will feel like God a couple of weeks with crazy pump, but soon the body adapts and if you dont have the knowhow, you soon will be worse than ever. If you want to get prosize, then you must use insulin, peptides and growth, si.teinjections and maybe synthol. Aas will just give you a 80s body...at the very best.
Its complicated and dangerous. Thats why you should stick to test 500 only the first time and learn how to deal with sides and keep growing 12 weeks and be able to keep 50% of it for life. Wouldnt that be something....

Truth that.

[Titanbrah]

Tren on first cycle is a bad idea. Would use it on the third cycle or something like that.