Would YOU run HCG with a 12 week test only cycle??

[PartridgeAlan]

Hey
So I'm trying to gather as much information and opinions etc before I do anything, and this is a topic I'm definitely most confused about : HCG!

On a Test E cycle of 500mg/week for 12 weeks, would YOU personally run HCG?
If so, would you run it during, or in the bridge between end of cycle and PCT?

After looking around and getting information from different sources it seems a good PCT is four weeks as follows :

Clomid : 100/100/50/50
Nolva : 40/40/20/20

So yeah, basically, would you run HCG on a mild/short cycle like this? Does HCG help with recovery, or just testicular atrophy and fertility?

Thanks

[Slacker78]

For better PCT, the best practice is to run HCG 250ui, every 3.5 days, while you're on cycle, starting from 1 week and stopping while entering in PCT. Keeping tests tropism while on cycle, is very important to recovery quickly and without serious issues.

[Slacker78]

Keep in mind that the first issue which to fighting for in PCT is tests "awaking"... LH production, in general, starts again enough quickly ( using SERMs through ).... it's tests responsiveness that often is slower, although it might vary from subject to another.

[Mr.BB]

Yes, HCG is taken during cycle.

REad this: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

Hey
So I'm trying to gather as much information and opinions etc before I do anything, and this is a topic I'm definitely most confused about : HCG!

On a Test E cycle of 500mg/week for 12 weeks, would YOU personally run HCG?
If so, would you run it during, or in the bridge between end of cycle and PCT?

After looking around and getting information from different sources it seems a good PCT is four weeks as follows :

Clomid : 100/100/50/50
Nolva : 40/40/20/20

So yeah, basically, would you run HCG on a mild/short cycle like this? Does HCG help with recovery, or just testicular atrophy and fertility?

Thanks

[AR's King Silabolin]

I would run it 5 last weeks...as explained here:

[numbere]

I would run it 5 last weeks...as explained here:

Dylan Gemelli is no expert on hormones.

He has a online degree in general finance form the University of Phoenix.

Dylan Gemelli

[Mr.BB]

Hey Dylan (I know he reads this forum)

You look in bad shape pal, everything allright?

And wtf is that growth in your shoulder???

About the video, the estrogen from HCG is overrated, you are always going to have aromatization when you have test production, thats why we recommend AI. Use HCG from start, no point in letting your testes without LH in the beggining of cycle just to add it in last 5 weeks.

I would run it 5 last weeks...as explained here:

[AR's King Silabolin]

I think you are a bit hard on the guy. I think Dylan exaggerate the impact from sarms sometimes, but often i find his advices good. As in this vid

[Slacker78]

Hey Dylan (I know he reads this forum)

You look in bad shape pal, everything allright?

And wtf is that growth in your shoulder???

About the video, the estrogen from HCG is overrated, you are always going to have aromatization when you have test production, thats why we recommend AI. Use HCG from start, no point in letting your testes without LH in the beggining of cycle just to add it in last 5 weeks.

I'm agree. Tests are fundamentals and it's a must to keep them, active and fully-functional for later PCT.

[Cody95]

Hey
So I'm trying to gather as much information and opinions etc before I do anything, and this is a topic I'm definitely most confused about : HCG!

On a Test E cycle of 500mg/week for 12 weeks, would YOU personally run HCG?
If so, would you run it during, or in the bridge between end of cycle and PCT?

After looking around and getting information from different sources it seems a good PCT is four weeks as follows :

Clomid : 100/100/50/50
Nolva : 40/40/20/20

So yeah, basically, would you run HCG on a mild/short cycle like this? Does HCG help with recovery, or just testicular atrophy and fertility?

Thanks

Umm you kinda need to no matter what dude....

[Gloopo]

Think of hcg as balls insurance.. U wanna insure your balls in week 4? Or week 1? Dont know about you, but my balls means alot, so week 1 it is for me..

[NACH3]

Umm you kinda need to no matter what dude....

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What kinda answer is this?!

Hcg is an LH mimitek which does help with recovery by keeping our testes functional as possible while on so why suppress your LH at the end?! just my .02 and there's much more on the subject in the why to use it on cycle link BB provided!

[jackfrost88]

Was wondering this as well. Is there anyone who has done a basic cycle such as this with and without HCG that could shed some light on the differences? Was the recovery that much easier?

[numbere]

Was wondering this as well. Is there anyone who has done a basic cycle such as this with and without HCG that could shed some light on the differences? Was the recovery that much easier?

Using hcg goes beyond only aiding in HPTA reset.

Hcg mimics lh and lh is necessary in order to keep hormonal pathways flowing.

This is why guys on TRT, who have no need for PCT, use hcg in conjunction with their protocol.

[jackfrost88]

Using hcg goes beyond only aiding in HPTA reset.

Hcg mimics lh and lh is necessary in order to keep hormonal pathways flowing.

This is why guys on TRT, who have no need for PCT, use hcg in conjunction with their protocol.

True enough but was curious to see if anyone here could give personal experience on the differences having experienced a cycle with and without HCG. Could help provide some context to the OP's question

[numbere]

True enough but was curious to see if anyone here could give personal experience on the differences having experienced a cycle with and without HCG. Could help provide some context to the OP's question

It's like driving without a seat belt.

A majority of the time you get to your final destination with no issues, but for how easy it is to use a seat belt the benefits greatly outweigh the cons.

One of the reasons we know so much about cycling is from the poor choices others have made.

[kelkel]

Was wondering this as well. Is there anyone who has done a basic cycle such as this with and without HCG that could shed some light on the differences? Was the recovery that much easier?

Here's some hard facts from a study in an Andrology Journal re HCG:

Human chorionic gonadotropin therapy
A known critical element in the development of healthy spermatogenesis is high intratesticular testosterone.13 In men using exogenous testosterone, these levels can be greatly diminished. Intramuscular human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) therapy is an option shown to protect against, or at least to diminish, the impact that exogenous testosterone has on intratesticular testosterone levels. In a randomized, controlled trial of 29 healthy men randomly assigned to four groups, testosterone enanthate was given 200 mg per week plus either intramuscular saline, 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day. Sperm, intratesticular testosterone levels, and gonadotropins were measured at day 0 and day 21. Intratesticular testosterone levels were suppressed by 94% in the placebo group, 25% in the 125 IU hCG treatment group, and 7% in the 250 IU hCG treatment group, and they were increased 26% from baseline in the 500 IU hCG treatment group.13 Thus, even with supraphysiologic doses of testosterone replacement, healthy levels of intratesticular testosterone were maintained by low-dose hCG therapy.

[jackfrost88]

Here's some hard facts from a study in an Andrology Journal re HCG:

Human chorionic gonadotropin therapy
A known critical element in the development of healthy spermatogenesis is high intratesticular testosterone.13 In men using exogenous testosterone, these levels can be greatly diminished. Intramuscular human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) therapy is an option shown to protect against, or at least to diminish, the impact that exogenous testosterone has on intratesticular testosterone levels. In a randomized, controlled trial of 29 healthy men randomly assigned to four groups, testosterone enanthate was given 200 mg per week plus either intramuscular saline, 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day. Sperm, intratesticular testosterone levels, and gonadotropins were measured at day 0 and day 21. Intratesticular testosterone levels were suppressed by 94% in the placebo group, 25% in the 125 IU hCG treatment group, and 7% in the 250 IU hCG treatment group, and they were increased 26% from baseline in the 500 IU hCG treatment group.13 Thus, even with supraphysiologic doses of testosterone replacement, healthy levels of intratesticular testosterone were maintained by low-dose hCG therapy.

Thanks exactly what I was looking for!

[Lemonada8]

in short, yes i would run HCG for the entire cycle, even if its test only.

[Hard.On]

Dylan is the number 1 parrot in the world.

You do not need to run it.

However,

There is no harm in running it