First cycle advice

[ZombieJGH]

First time posting here and I'm hoping to get some help with a 14 week cycle I am thinking of doing. I'm hoping to go for a lean mass gain. Any criticism and information would be widely appreciated.

Age 23
Training for 5 years
5ft 10, 85kg
Train 5-6 times a week. Roughly an hour to hour and half at a time, will be doing cardiovascular 3times a week as long distance and time training then twice a week as HIIT training.
My diet is pretty good and clean.
Body fat roughly 11-12% at most


1-12 test 400 1mg a week
1-12 deca (not entirely sure on this dosage yet. I need to do more investigating as I've been reading a lot and everywhere seems to be 50/50 on the dosage of deca. Some saying to use more test and other saying to use more deca. Can someone give me a final answer on this it would be appreciated. )
8 - 14 Winstrol tablet 50 mg ED
Aromasin 10 mg ED

PCT
14-18 Clomid 150/100/50/50 ED
14-18 nolvadex 40/40/20/20 ED

I have done a lot of research on this, I understand I probably have missed things out and as I said before I would appreciate any experience given.

I've also read up on deca some people say you can't get a lean gain from it due to the water retention then others say it is possible if it is looked after correctly, any more information or suggestions on reducing the water retention would be great also .

[suasponte1983]

You should wait 2 more years for your cycle. But if you already decided, you need to drop all deca and winny for your first cycle.
Run test 500mg/week.
Aromasin 12.5mg/eod. Adjust as needed.
Use 500iu HCG split twice a week to keep your balls and recover faster.
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Good luck

[ZombieJGH]

You should wait 2 more years for your cycle. But if you already decided, you need to drop all deca and winny for your first cycle.
Run test 500mg/week.
Aromasin 12.5mg/eod. Adjust as needed.
Use 500iu HCG split twice a week to keep your balls and recover faster.
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Good luck

Thank you for the extra information but if i were to add the deca and winstrol would i be doing it correctly? And to which ratio would the deca and test need to be or is it pretty much just everyones personal pref to either have more test than deca vice versa ?

[Chicagotarsier]

The reason for straight test cycle is so you can know how your body responds with estrogen and sides. if you run multiple items and have an issue which one caused it? Every cycle you run has test and it comes with estrogen baggage. If you cannot run a test only cycle you do not have the maturity to be a steroid user imho.

Also it is a good test to see if you can actually afford to be a steroid user. Test is cheap. AI is relatively affordable. Going to the doctor for blood tests will cost you as much as a cycle of test with AI. If you find yourself choosing between dinner and blood tests you cannot afford to use steroids .

[ZombieJGH]

I used 'pro hormones' about a year and abit ago. Probably was dumb due to my age. I didnt get any negative side effects from them. From what ive read online its a good indication that my body will be able to handle the test 400.

Money aspect of it wouldnt be a problem.

Would anyone help me out with my proposed cycle even if its not for me right now but the information for a future date would be extremely helpful.

Thank you

[ZombieJGH]

Can anybody else shed some light on my proposed cycle, it would be highly appreciated. Thank you

[Thespear]

Look at the sticky article "the science of stacking steroids " on here. With deca you are looking at a whole different set of possible sides, as it increases prolactin levels. Someone on their first cycle shouldn't be worried about trying to figure out how to combat sides from multiple AAS, worrying about proper dosing of multiple ancillaries. If you just absolutely have to stack on your first one I would drop the Deca completely and wait till the last half of your cyle after you have gotten mid cycle bloods and made sure everything is in check before trying to add in something like winstrol . Just my two cents....