Need advice 37 6' 225

**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 09:15 AM

dbol on TRT?

**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 09:18 AM

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**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 09:20 AM

The pictures above is me taken today.

**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 09:21 AM

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**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 09:22 AM

the picture above is what I want to look like.

**NACH3** · 07-02-2016, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Seriously_casual

Hey guys, like the title says I'm 37 years old 6 foot 225. I'm very athletic by nature and do everything in life 110%. I was a high school athlete before an injury forced me into a depression I've not been able to shake for YEARS..

Ive suffered with depression and anxiety and just felt like dog shit for years starting around 2001 when I had my 2nd kid and got a vasectomy. I've been to the doctor and had multiple test ran to diagnose migraine headaches and depression, was on all kinds of pills to combat these issues. These pills ultimately lead to more depression and the overwhelming fatigue..

It wasn't until February of this year did I hear about LOW T and every symptom they had listed, I was experiencing.. So I loaded up and went to get my blood checked, sure enough my T was 76....

I've now been on TRT for about 6 months and feel amazing!! Got a ton of motivation and I'm ready to get back Ito shape. I've never had a terrible diet but the lack of energy put on some weight.

My diet consist of kashi cereal with almond milk.
I eat tuna out of the pack no mayo
Meal replacement shakes
Dinner I eat lean proteins, steaks and chicken.
I stay away from all bread, dairy, fruits, salts and potatos. I hardly ever eat fried foods but I sometimes eat pizza..

Along with the Testonsterone they have me on HCG and an anti estrogen. My bloods are perfect 750 test 14 estrogen, BP is good cholesterol is good. The doctor said before I started TRT he had a completely heathy man with low T. Now I'm completely heathy as my doctor points out and full of testosterone !

I'm now being transferred to Houston Texas to work at the corporate office (petrolem engineer) and I'll be settled in soon. I want to start going to the gym so I got a personal trainer and scheduled for this Tuesday.

So I'm sorry about the back story but I feel it was necessary.

My question is, I don't want to get skinny or shredded, I lived my whole life skinny and I'm enjoying the respect I get from being big. I want to get bigger but less fatty.. My doctor sends me a bottle of test once a month and I guess he forgot how much I'm supposed to take because now I have two extra bottles!!! So my thoughts are, I take two injections one on Saturday at 150mg and one on Wednesday 150mg taking the total test from 200 weekly to 300. Taking my anti estrogen on Monday and Friday. And possibly throwing in a oral steroid to promote size, of course I'd up caloric intake while on this cycle but clean calories for 12 weeks. Was thinking something along the lines of winstrol for the fat burning and anabol for size?? I'll be working out 3 to 4 times weekly.

I will be getting blood work before I start and at 8 weeks as required by my doctor and if things look bad I'll stop.

What's yalls thoughts? I'll post pics so you can see where I am and I'll also post a pic of the body I want.

Thanks in advance,
Patrick.

I wouldn't be running two orals(especially the ones you've picked out) I'm assuming you meant anadrol (great compound) but try just adding one other compound(since you know how you react to test already) or just blast w/test only(500mgs/wkly AI HCG) -

winny wont do much if anything at higher than 12% imo(and that's a lil high) - if also 'stock up) on some more test so you can run more(already on TRT & shut down) imho I'd run at least 500mgs/wk and try dropping your bf% as low as you can get it - it's all worth it in the end...

Whats your w/o split look like(lifting 3-4x a wk)? And which one are you... Most up to date?!

**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 11:05 AM

Sorry my pics are the two top pics, literally took them for this post.. And yes I'll be hitting the gym hard at minimum 3 times weekly with a training coach. My diet is already decent but my personal trainer is also tweaking it and coming up with a solid meal plan.My original plan was dbol with it but I think that would just bloat me up and make me look like a marshmallow right? I tested the waters with him on this subject and he definitely wasn't interested in talking about it.. You can tell he's natural and doesn't believe or scared to dabble in it.

BG · 07-02-2016, 11:52 AM

Dont mess with your test levels just add an oral for 6 weeks. Var/Drol/D-bol depending on your goals.

**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 12:13 PM

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**Seriously_casual** · 07-02-2016, 12:26 PM

Those are the meds prescribed to me to take along with the test for TRT. I only post that because if I start taking Dbol is that anti estrogen strong enough to stop the estrogen? How much will I need? Is .5 good enough? the HCG is good to take as prescribed? Or up it? Right now it's 4 days following an injection on Saturday so I take that sun mon tues wen.

**NACH3** · 07-02-2016, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Seriously_casual

Those are the meds prescribed to me to take along with the test for TRT. I only post that because if I start taking Dbol is that anti estrogen strong enough to stop the estrogen? How much will I need? Is .5 good enough? the HCG is good to take as prescribed? Or up it? Right now it's 4 days following an injection on Saturday so I take that sun mon tues wen.

Only BW(blood work) will tell but d-Bol is a heavily aromatizing compound - very hard to dial in your AI(aromatase inhibitor) and a dose that works for me most likely won't work for you! This is a reason we say add one compound at a time so you know it's that compound giving you the sides.... And at a higher bf, one may be aromatizing more quickly than others which effects dosage too...

It's tough to say where to start but keeping your test at TRT dose and adding d-Bol I'd start w/.25mgs EOD at least(based on your prescribed dose) just keep an eye out for any sides(high or low E etc) how much d-Bol you thinking of running daily