Looking for solid+simple advice for first merry-go-round

**southpaw_boxer** · 07-05-2016, 10:00 AM

Hey guys, just want to say how awesome this forum is, very positive and super helpful. I'm a 31 year old with 14% BF and have been active my whole life. I am looking to take my boxing to the next level. I don't compete and this is more of a one-upsmanship thing with my fellow meat heads. Again, this would be my very first time.

I want to start with a very basic and "safe" cycle. I have this so far:
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Weeks 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate , 300mg, E3D
Weeks 1-4: Dbol , 50mg, ED

For cardio I was going to take Singulair.

I would really appreciate some feedback on this part. I'm not sure how to increase cardio, which is an important part of why I'm doing this.

Something important I want to note: I already take clomid 50 mg 3 times a week and arimidex 2 times a week. Would I be able to just pick this routine back up after my cycle? I'm really confused on the PCT and want to make sure I get this right. Any help is appreciated.

Bonus question: Should I add HCG in?

**kelkel** · 07-05-2016, 01:18 PM

Don't know if you've read this yet, but this would work well for you. Your pct question is addressed there as well.

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**Northernpumps** · 07-05-2016, 05:22 PM

wait.. you're already taking Arimidex and Clomid?? and you haven't cycled before?? just for the test boosting effects or what ???

**southpaw_boxer** · 07-05-2016, 05:58 PM

Thanks for that article, I've been trying to read as much as possible. I can't find an answer to my specific question, tho. All the PCT I've read about mentions clomid and arimimidex. I take 50 mg clomid Mon, Wed, and Fri and .25 mg arimidex mon and fri. I'm wondering if I could just do my normal clomid/arimidex routine, then cycle, and then hop back onto the routine as my PCT. Or do I have to do a normal PCT and then will I be able to go back to the original routine? Any idea where I could find some more info?

**Mr.BB** · 07-05-2016, 07:00 PM

So you are prescribed clomid and arimidex cause of low test?

**kelkel** · 07-05-2016, 09:27 PM

Assuming you are already on TRT (hence the clomid) you simply return to your normal protocol when your cycle is over. Bear in mind your current AI dose will not suffice.

**southpaw_boxer** · 07-06-2016, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Assuming you are already on TRT (hence the clomid) you simply return to your normal protocol when your cycle is over. Bear in mind your current AI dose will not suffice.

This is exactly the answer I'm looking for, much appreciated. So, if I were to do a standard PCT exactly as directed then get back onto my normal clomid regimen, I should be ok? This PCT is the last thing holding me back, just want to make sure I do this right.

**Mr.BB** · 07-06-2016, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by southpaw_boxer

This is exactly the answer I'm looking for, much appreciated. So, if I were to do a standard PCT exactly as directed then get back onto my normal clomid regimen, I should be ok? This PCT is the last thing holding me back, just want to make sure I do this right.

Doing the standard PCT then continue with your clomid regimen is fine, as it might be fine following kel's recomendation of starting your clomid regimen right after cycle is finnished. Personnaly would do the standard PCT, as in clomid therapy you are only boosting your LH not really relying on exogenous hormones.

About the cycle I would drop the dbol , as it ussually gives severe muscle pumps which I would say would be detrimental to boxing. Also would include HCG and increase adex.

**southpaw_boxer** · 07-06-2016, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Doing the standard PCT then continue with your clomid regimen is fine, as it might be fine following kel's recomendation of starting your clomid regimen right after cycle is finnished. Personnaly would do the standard PCT, as in clomid therapy you are only boosting your LH not really relying on exogenous hormones.

About the cycle I would drop the dbol, as it ussually gives severe muscle pumps which I would say would be detrimental to boxing. Also would include HCG and increase adex.

Thanks for the reply. I'm on a clomid regimen, 50 mg, Mon, Wed, and Fri. .25 mg of Arimidex on mon and fri.

I'm going to do a normal PCT and then go back to my clomid regimen. I just don't know which PCT I'm going to be doing yet as I'm still doing research.

Do you know how I would add the HCG to this cycle? I know I'm supposed to do the Test E every 3 days, but I'm not sure how much HCG to use and how often.**

Edit: I actually missed your first question about low T, didn't mean to ignore you. Before starting clomid my T was around 655, so it's definitely not low.

**Edit 2: Found info on HCG.

This is the info I found:

"Hcg should start on day one until 2-3 days before PCT at 250IU twice a week. "

Would this work for me? If I have to wait aobut 2 weeks before starting PCT, does that mean I'm still injecting this after I've stopped the Test E and D-Bol (if I do it).

**kelkel** · 07-06-2016, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by southpaw_boxer

"Hcg should start on day one until 2-3 days before PCT at 250IU twice a week. "

Would this work for me? If I have to wait aobut 2 weeks before starting PCT, does that mean I'm still injecting this after I've stopped the Test E and D-Bol (if I do it).

Correct. It will work for you.