First time AAS User...got bloods pre cycle.. G2g?

[daghetto]

Hello all,

I just got my blood work back pre cycle and wanted to know if im g2g for starting a test e only cycle for 10 weeks. i am 24 and have been lifting for 5 years. this will be my first cycle ever. I am 6'0 and weigh 170lbs. I will be doing test e 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks, paired with hcg from weeks 2-12, and arimidex .25 twice a week from weeks 1-10. after that, a 2 week rest followed by 4 weeks of clomid and nolvadex.


the following was my blood work:

fbs 4.6 3.6-6.0
Cr 104 60-110
egfr 86 >=60
total billirubin 24(HIGH) <=22.99
chol 4.22 <=5.19
tg .95 <=1.69
hdl 1.35 >=1
ldl 2.43
b12 625 >221
NA 142
k 4.0 3.7-5.4
ck 283(HIGH) <=224.9
TSH 1.3 .35-5
lh 6 2-9
dheas 17.1(HIGH) 5.73-13.40
fsh 1 (LOW) 2-12
testosterone 18.6 7.6-31.40
hb 167 135-170
hct .50 (HIGH) .38-.49
rbc 5.55 4.2-5.7
mcv 90
mch 30
mchc 333
wbc 7
mpv 9.8
Cl 101
ferritin 133

differential wbc's
lympocytes 2.31
neutrophils 4.27
monocytes .35
eosiniphils .07
basophils .00



main concern was hct(hematocrit) being .50 and DHEAS being 17.1. but other than that you can see the above yourself. based on this, am i good to go for starting?

asked my family doctor and he said yes, but i wanted to be 100% safe and get some opinions from here and some vets. btw, i got my blood work done at the walk in clinic and had it sent to the family doctor. the fam doctor said i was g2g, but the walk in clinic doctor said i might need to see a specialist for the high DHEAS. not sure why both gave a difference of opinion...

[Mr.BB]

You didnt test ALT/AST?

Hematocrit high even before touching gear is somewhat of a concern, testosterone willfor sure make it even higher. Is it normal for you to have this hematocrit?

Were you hydrated?

Do you smoke?

Do you do party drugs?

Do you live at high altitude? (example: mexico city)

[NACH3]

His LH is 6 and his FSH is below range...

I'd figure out why this and your HCT are where they are and why b4 cycling

[daghetto]

I don't do drugs
I fasted for 12 hours by sleeping through it . Woke up and went to give blood test without drinking any water.. So probably was dehydrated..

So main thing to find out is why dheas levels are high and fsh is below range?
Should I donate blood pre cycle? Will that be good enough to start ?

[songdog]

How long have you been training?

[kelkel]

Elevated dhea could simply be due to your age. It would not be surprising. Or, it could be an adrenal issue.

[daghetto]

I've been training for 6 years.. And yes the nurse from the walk in clinic called and said the doctor said your dheas levels are high which could be due to something with the adrenal glands, and said I can be referred to a specialist..however my family doctor said nothing, so I'm confused on why one doctor said I need a specialist and other said I don't

Will taking test affect my dheas levels?

[Back In Black]

I'd probably suggest a visit to our diet section rather than aas.

6 years training and only 170lbs at 6ft tall indicate you could do with some help on this regard.

[Mr.BB]

I don't do drugs
I fasted for 12 hours by sleeping through it . Woke up and went to give blood test without drinking any water.. So probably was dehydrated..

So main thing to find out is why dheas levels are high and fsh is below range?
Should I donate blood pre cycle? Will that be good enough to start ?

I wouldnt cycle, at least, till I had an explanation for the values outside range.

High billirubin indicates some liver problem, you should have also tested AST and ALT, if you were on some medication that can explain it, but to me its not normal for a 24 year old to have values outside range, even after partying hard lol.

High DHEAs is not a big problem unless it carries other endocrine symptoms. FSH low should also be investigated with further bloodtests.

High hematocrit can be explained if you live at high altitude, smoke or have sleep apnea. But I wouldnt start cycle with it that high, yes donate will lower it, but why was it high in the 1st place? Dont you have older bloodwork to compare? it can be normal for you, only more bloodworks to compare will say.

[daghetto]

so am i safe to start test with the numbers i have? if i give blood will that be sufficient enough if my hematocrit is 50 right now?

[Kyle1337]

so am i safe to start test with the numbers i have? if i give blood will that be sufficient enough if my hematocrit is 50 right now?

Did you even read anything that these guys are telling you? The answer is NO. Figure out what's wrong with your shit first and go from there.

[songdog]

so am i safe to start test with the numbers i have? if i give blood will that be sufficient enough if my hematocrit is 50 right now?

Get your diet in order before you start or you may regret it.More than one guy has lost his hard earned gains too a bad diet.

[daghetto]

Did you even read anything that these guys are telling you? The answer is NO. Figure out what's wrong with your shit first and go from there.

so from the sums of it, i should go back to the doctor and ask why my fsh is low, hematocrit is high, and bilirubin is high? even though the doctor said nothing about it after showing me the results other than telling me the only concern was bilirubin but its only 1 point above the high scale so to keep track of it for now..?

am i just supposed to go back to the doc and say that i want to know why these numbers are off even though he said im fine? what will he do, order more bloods?

[Mr.BB]

so from the sums of it, i should go back to the doctor and ask why my fsh is low, hematocrit is high, and bilirubin is high? even though the doctor said nothing about it after showing me the results other than telling me the only concern was bilirubin but its only 1 point above the high scale so to keep track of it for now..?

am i just supposed to go back to the doc and say that i want to know why these numbers are off even though he said im fine? what will he do, order more bloods?

So, your GP says everything normal but keep an eye on bilirubin, did that doctor knew you are preparing for injecting steroids? Why didnt you ask him if you were in perfect health to do it?
If he doesnt know all the information and there is nothing obvious of immediate health danger he will just say "fine" and move to the next patient. how much time he has per patient? 15? 20minutes?

GPs are used to see EVERYONE, from morbid obese to couch potatoes, drunk, smoking 60 year olds, do you think their bloods will be 100% fine? No, it will not be perfect, should a GP be concern of small problems in a 25 year old? Hell no , he has more patients to see.

Does this means you are in perfect health? No, and only you know why. You didnt answer most of my questions above, if you want to cycle go ahead, who cares, its YOUR health. If I had your blood work I would all over it, explaining and correcting my life style.

What bothers me most is your apparent lack of interest on your on health, you want to leave the responsibility of using steroids in someone elses hands. Wake up, you should be the most interested person in YOUR health. If there is something out of value, go and find out why, plenty of information on web and we are here to answer questions and explain something that you dont understand, you cant rely 100% in a probably overworked GP, LOOK FOR ANSWERS FOR YOURSELF.

Steroids are a serious thing, take it as such.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Im with BiB on this one. Your stats are not aassuited. Remember, a little test will not make you big. Its just 5-7%. Aas should be used to polish a already superb fysic. If your are not able to fix a superb fysic, for sure you are not able to use aas rigth.
Train heavy every other day. Strict moves, find the mind muscle connection, basic exercises. Min 7 meals a day. (2-3 could be shakes). Whey isolate in the morning and after workout, BCAA while u train. Add in creatin. Min 250 grams of protein a day, min 5000 kcal. Try to avoid saturated fat, salt and sugar. 8 hours sleep. 1 hour cardio on rest days.

Do this for two years straigth without cheating. Your are young and have many years, with heavy aas use if you want, ahead of you, but not now my friend.

[daghetto]

You didnt test ALT/AST?

Hematocrit high even before touching gear is somewhat of a concern, testosterone willfor sure make it even higher. Is it normal for you to have this hematocrit?

Were you hydrated?

Do you smoke?

Do you do party drugs?

Do you live at high altitude? (example: mexico city)

to answer your questions after reading your previous posts, no i was not hydrated, i was doing a 10 hour fast overnight and didnt drink water when i woke up so i wouldnt assume so. i dont smoke, i dont do drugs, i dont live at a high altitude, i dont even drink. what do you think i can do to find out why my blood results came off? i want to take testosterone but i want to be safe about it and if you dont recommend it then i wont take anything as people here have my experience than i do. what i would like to know is why these results might have come the way they did or whati can do to find out why they came this way, so i can fix them and see if i am ready to take steroids after that.

[Mr.BB]

What you can do is, first compare to old bloodwork. Im sure you have done bloodwork before, maybe you didnt keep records of it which is a shame, im 40 now and still have record from when I was your age.

This was to compare hemoglobin and the hematocrit, if its not possible you need to understand that testosterone will for sure increase the RBCs production which will rise this values. High hematocrit puts extra stress on cardiac and circulatory system. Higher than 54% is dangerous as it is favourable to blood clots, google it.

So maybe you should do another bloods in 2-3 weeks, just CBC, bilirubin and alt/ast. FSH you are going to wreck it anyways taking steroids, so if you are dead set on cycling kinda no point in testing.

FSH is responsible for production of sperm, you may be infertile being it low, in my opinion you should investigate it but that may require medical help.