1st Cycle Advice

[benh]

Hello all, I have researched a great deal over the last few weeks and I am ready to enter the world of AAS.

I am a normally very active individual and my new job will allow me to train for 1-2 hours every day (sometimes more). I have put on a bit of weight over the last 6 weeks due to being tied to a desk and will get back down to 15% before I start AAS. I have also significantly improved my food intake (previously ate whatever crap I wanted but got away with it because I was very active). I have been in the military and have been very active for the last 20 years, so I understand commitment.

36 years young
5'7"
180lbs
18%

My aim is to bulk up and generally look better.

I would like people's view on the ideal first cycle..... should I stick simply to test or is the following a sensible first cycle and PCT?


CYCLE

Weeks 1-10,
400mg TEST E,
400mg DECA DURABOLIN,
0.5mg eod ARIMIDEX

Weeks 11-12,
400mg TEST E,
0.5mg eod ARIMIDEX


PCT

1st 10 days,
350IU ed HCG,

Week 2,
40mg ed NOLVADEX,
75mg ed CLOMID

Weeks 3-5
20mg ed NOLVADEX,
50mg ed CLOMID


Also, are bloods vital? Is it worth risking without blood tests?

Thanks

Ben

[bass]

bad first cycle, in fact bad cycle plan. all your answers are here,


My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[benh]

So this then:

CYCLE

Weeks 1-12,
500mg TEST E,
250iu every 3.5 days HCG,
0.25mg eod ARIMIDEX,

Weeks 13-14,
0.25mg eod ARIMIDEX


PCT

Week 1,
40mg ed NOLVADEX,
75mg ed CLOMID

Weeks 2-4
20mg ed NOLVADEX,
50mg ed CLOMID


Iv read that thread and many others - all very slightly different advice. I tried to take on board all of the advice and made my own (bad) plan.

I'll stick to the simple test cycle, thanks.

[bass]

always a good idea to cycle test only on first cycle, then add more in future cycles.

Copied from Austinite's Thread
Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

PCT

Week 14: Clomid @ 75 & Nolvadex @ 40 each day
Week 15 to 17: Clomid @ 50 & Nolvadex @ 20 each day

[songdog]

Hello all, I have researched a great deal over the last few weeks and I am ready to enter the world of AAS.

I am a normally very active individual and my new job will allow me to train for 1-2 hours every day (sometimes more). I have put on a bit of weight over the last 6 weeks due to being tied to a desk and will get back down to 15% before I start AAS. I have also significantly improved my food intake (previously ate whatever crap I wanted but got away with it because I was very active). I have been in the military and have been very active for the last 20 years, so I understand commitment.

36 years young
5'7"
180lbs
18%

My aim is to bulk up and generally look better.

I would like people's view on the ideal first cycle..... should I stick simply to test or is the following a sensible first cycle and PCT?


CYCLE

Weeks 1-10,
400mg TEST E,
400mg DECA DURABOLIN,
0.5mg eod ARIMIDEX

Weeks 11-12,
400mg TEST E,
0.5mg eod ARIMIDEX


PCT

1st 10 days,
350IU ed HCG,

Week 2,
40mg ed NOLVADEX,
75mg ed CLOMID

Weeks 3-5
20mg ed NOLVADEX,
50mg ed CLOMID


Also, are bloods vital? Is it worth risking without blood tests?

Thanks

Ben

I have to agee with the others.Bad choice and I will bet you did lil or no research on this.

[benh]

I spent 2 weeks reading but clearly misunderstood a few areas. There is so much information on this site, with much conflicting advice and I placed a higher weighting on the static articles of the steroid.com home page over the forum stickies. Your short and blunt responses are genuinely welcome and have triggered me to reconsolidate. Songdog, I did indeed research a great deal over the last 2 weeks but when there is conflicting information it is difficult to judge what is credible/correct.

You have taught me that many of the forum stickies (particularly Austinites articles) are more credible than the steroid.com homepage information.


Just so I understand where I have gone wrong (to keep me sane), this is what I believe makes my initial plan a bad cycle:

1 - keep 1st cycle simple I.E. just test e (then you know if you can tolerate it - multiple AAS then you can't pinpoint what doesn't work for you). Using Deca Durabolin as well, was a bad idea.

2 - HCG should be used in cycle not on PCT.

3 - I also knowledge Austinites recommendation of a stable diet for some time, not just as you start AAS. I don't intend to start AAS until conditions are right - I'm not rushing it.


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Background:

The (bad plan) cycle was based on a Deca Durabolin cycle found here: www.steroid.com/deca-durabolin-cycle.php less the dianabol and slightly more Deca (400mg to 500mg).

Is it really that bad a cycle in general (accepting that it is a terrible first cycle)? Ok I can easily accept that I was ambitious to consider anything other than just test but what does the dianabol do that to remove it from the cycle makes it a bad cycle?

I was reluctant to use HGC on my first cycle because of warnings here: www.steroid.com/deca-durabolin-cycle.php and in this section: www.steroid.com/Post-Cycle-Therapy.php. These are both 'fixed articles' on the main site vs discussion in the forum. This (www.steroid.com/Post-Cycle-Therapy.php) discusses the use of HCG in PCT for 10 days (as do several other articles).

However, this is a much more balanced forum article that I should have listened to: forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/542816-hcg-why-you-should-use-cycle-only-how-prepare-your-hcg-injections.html


I based my PCT with info from the 'fixed articles' here:
www.steroid.com/Post-Cycle-Therapy.php
www.steroid.com/how_to_come_off_steroids.php

But several forum articles suggests slightly different. Austinites posts are particularly balanced and detailed: forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/541167-my-first-cycle-planning-executing-successful-first-cycle.html

forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/542816-hcg-why-you-should-use-cycle-only-how-prepare-your-hcg-injections.html

[charger69]

I agree with Austinites stickies.

[chab]

So this then:

CYCLE

Weeks 1-12,
500mg TEST E,
250iu every 3.5 days HCG,
0.25mg eod ARIMIDEX,

Weeks 13-14,
0.25mg eod ARIMIDEX


PCT

Week 1,
40mg ed NOLVADEX,
75mg ed CLOMID

Weeks 2-4
20mg ed NOLVADEX,
50mg ed CLOMID


Iv read that thread and many others - all very slightly different advice. I tried to take on board all of the advice and made my own (bad) plan.

I'll stick to the simple test cycle, thanks.

I think that's the best way to do it, just be sure to do blood work to check if ur test level is fine.
I am running the same cycle atm but exemestane instead of Arimidex as AI.
Good luck bro.

[benh]

Thanks for the guidance guys. Iv found a couple of places to get blood work done in the UK, but it isn't cheap - but I guess that you can't put a value on health!