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    Running/Roids

    Newbie here.

    To my military compadres (or anyone who regularly times their runs), how has gear affected your run times? I know the effects are heavy on the heart but I'm trying to gauge, based off of other's personal experiences, whether or not, if I have enough run time to sacrifice before I start cycling.

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    I run 6 miles just about every morning.

    When I'm on cycle I can run at a much faster pace for longer periods.

    Not sure if that info helps or not but I find running even more enjoyable when on AAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    I run 6 miles just about every morning.

    When I'm on cycle I can run at a much faster pace for longer periods.

    Not sure if that info helps or not but I find running even more enjoyable when on AAS.
    No, that's perfect. I'm definitely happy to hear that. I was just really worried about it. Thank you man.

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    Tren has been known to affect their cardiovascular endurance. Also winnie has been known to affect the joints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Tren has been known to affect their cardiovascular endurance. Also winnie has been known to affect the joints.
    Is there any other gear I should stay away from then besides those 2. I really enjoy my runs.

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    I would run on tren however it was getting more difficult. Also on winnie, but i had to use glucosamine to tolerate the knee joint pain. It can be done just more difficult. Winnie is actually supposed to help your cardiovascular.

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    tren wouldn't necessarily stop my runs short from the cardio aspect.. but more the shin pumps felt like my shins my erupt
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    Cardio if effected differently by different gear.

    A good performance AAS is a 19nor type that needs to be taken with testosterone , Nandrolone Decanoate. it's the athletic choice.

    i know that tren WILL NOT HELP. it's also rough on Blood cholesterol levels. in that respect cardio is a must when on tren. higher risks are associated with the most powerful and effective AAS ever created.

    some claim and i've read that winnie will weaken tendons to breaking points/dry you out too much/reduce estrogen to the point that your bones have no lube. bones with no lube is no good. shit hurts. that's what i know. Nandrolone Decanoate has a property that strengthens your tendons by increasing your bodies collagen synthisis.

    it's also got a mild Anabolic and andro rating, so you wont blow the FU_k up and cause suspision of the command.

    shit part is that it stays in your system for a long time, but if you being big is no big deal because you are always big then nobody will look twice. you seem old enough to no how it goes in the military.

    Anti estrogens like Aromasin /exemestane (my fav) will also help your heart. high estrogen will f_ck you up. keeping estro in check will also help loads with sleep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlolec View Post
    Cardio if effected differently by different gear.
    Thank you for the indepth advice. I think I can manage a diminish for a couple months. Just need to plan my cycles around my work timeline.

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    sure thing. i'm all about my details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlolec View Post
    some claim and i've read that winnie will weaken tendons to breaking points/dry you out too much/reduce estrogen to the point that your bones have no lube. bones with no lube is no good. shit hurts. that's what i know. Nandrolone Decanoate has a property that strengthens your tendons by increasing your bodies collagen synthesis.
    This is mostly bodybuilding dogma.

    Both nandrolone and winny increase collagen synthesis.

    If you look at the records for Olympic runners who have been tested positive for AAS they are most commonly taking nandrolone or winny.

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    ^^^^ just adding that steroids will cause red blood cell mass to increase which will be benefitial in sports. Nandrolone is also a potent anti-inflammatory, which will also be great in all sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    ^^^^ just adding that steroids will cause red blood cell mass to increase which will be benefitial in sports. Nandrolone is also a potent anti-inflammatory, which will also be great in all sports.
    Hey B do you notice any difference between test, 19 nors, DHT based, or orals and blood count increase?

    I've found that 19 nors increase my blood counts more than test and DHT based steroids raise them more than 19 nors.

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    Tren is the worse for my hematocrit. DHT dont know, never really took masteron .

    I can manage with deca with no b12 shots and only 500mg vit C, it remained stable in 49-50% last deca cycle.

    I donate when needed, but even if I dont donate it goes down 2-3% after a couple of months. Also I find cardio important to manage blood counts, the only time got 53% was being a bit lazy on cardio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB
    Tren is the worse for my hematocrit. DHT dont know, never really took masteron .

    I can manage with deca with no b12 shots and only 500mg vit C, it remained stable in 49-50% last deca cycle.

    I donate when needed, but even if I dont donate it goes down 2-3% after a couple of months. Also I find cardio important to manage blood counts, the only time got 53% was being a bit lazy on cardio
    For me masteron is the worst on my crit level. Love the compound but it puts my crit level over 51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio-Active View Post
    For me masteron is the worst on my crit level. Love the compound but it puts my crit level over 51
    Never been lean enough to use it properly

    Think of it more of a competition compound, am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio-Active View Post
    For me masteron is the worst on my crit level. Love the compound but it puts my crit level over 51
    I've had the same experience with mast p. I have to drop a pint every 4 weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Never been lean enough to use it properly

    Think of it more of a competition compound, am I wrong?
    It does give a nice strength increase but it works best when you can see the bottom ledge of your lower abs.

    It's a great aesthetic compound that pairs well with nandrolone .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB

    Never been lean enough to use it properly

    Think of it more of a competition compound, am I wrong?
    Depends it does give nice strength increases but in order to see the hard grainy effect it gives your bf needs to be pretty low
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Tren is the worse for my hematocrit. DHT dont know, never really took masteron .

    I can manage with deca with no b12 shots and only 500mg vit C, it remained stable in 49-50% last deca cycle.

    I donate when needed, but even if I dont donate it goes down 2-3% after a couple of months. Also I find cardio important to manage blood counts, the only time got 53% was being a bit lazy on cardio
    i'm taking Nandrolone Decanoate / a 19 nor. i am supplementing with vitamin C and B12 as a matter of routine, and i cardio every morning. how much vitamin C and b12 should i be taking daily? i'm ignorant when it comes to reading blood tests, or what gear does what to blood. this information is very valuable to me.

    400mg / week nandrolone Decanoate
    500mg / week Testosterone Cypionate
    250iu / week HCG
    aromasin 25mg every day.

    sorry, i don't mean to highjack your thread SAVANIMAL, but this is the same topic, 19 nors. you and i both need to know more. there is always more to know.

    did i mention blood letting? it's required. i need to do it by the end of this week. it will be my first time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9Q...layer_embedded

    SAV, if you want to be totally safe you can just stick with Testosterone . all this other shit we are talking about is taken in addition to testosterone. test only comes with less problems to mitigate, i think.

    Is there a blood sticky on the effecting factors per compound and mitigation methods for the effected blood components? used in example form. does that make sense? seems like there is a lot of information to be learned about all the ways blood can be manipulated and effected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlolec View Post
    i'm taking Nandrolone Decanoate / a 19 nor. i am supplementing with vitamin C and B12 as a matter of routine, and i cardio every morning. how much vitamin C and b12 should i be taking daily? i'm ignorant when it comes to reading blood tests, or what gear does what to blood. this information is very valuable to me.

    400mg / week nandrolone Decanoate
    500mg / week Testosterone Cypionate
    250iu / week HCG
    aromasin 25mg every day.

    sorry, i don't mean to highjack your thread SAVANIMAL, but this is the same topic, 19 nors. you and i both need to know more. there is always more to know.

    did i mention blood letting? it's required. i need to do it by the end of this week. it will be my first time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9Q...layer_embedded

    SAV, if you want to be totally safe you can just stick with Testosterone . all this other shit we are talking about is taken in addition to testosterone. test only comes with less problems to mitigate, i think.

    Is there a blood sticky on the effecting factors per compound and mitigation methods for the effected blood components? used in example form. does that make sense? seems like there is a lot of information to be learned about all the ways blood can be manipulated and effected.
    Before changing anything you need to know how much is your hemoglobin. A basic CBC (complete blood count) is quite cheap.

    If your hemoglobin is below 16, take as much vit and b12 as you want.

    If above maybe better to cut b12 and limit vit c to 500mgs a day.

    Dont do any blood letting unless your hematocrit is above 52%. Donation is fine every 3-4 months if you hemoglobin is not low.

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    oh thanks

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    Any compound that boosts test should improve your running time. More test = more endurance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savanimal View Post
    Newbie here.

    To my military compadres (or anyone who regularly times their runs), how has gear affected your run times? I know the effects are heavy on the heart but I'm trying to gauge, based off of other's personal experiences, whether or not, if I have enough run time to sacrifice before I start cycling.
    Brother I never cycled ever but I had some propionate and was going to ignorantly start a half ass cycle befor I knew what I do now. So I injected 2 times. About 100mg each shot. And then I had to stop cuz of work etc.

    Well I was training for a special forces program 1.5 years ago before I fell into a bad habit and dropped from220 natural to 165. Dope diet lol. I just recently in the last 6months started easing into training once again ..note 1.5 years ago when I was 220lbs I just started running again after roughly 10 years of not running ever .imstarted first week getting miles ran in 8min 30sec roughly. And after a week I was pushing and got down To 7 minute miles at 220lbs.

    Ok the last 1.5 years I fell of and it's now. So I took tht propionate shot Or two like I mentioned. And I have no clue if it was the propionate or what but I decided to run with th dog on a horse trails it's up and down hills around bends over creeks and roots etc. and I swear i felt like a deer. Hardly anytime at all to recover and I was literally running with the dog playing leap frog I'll pass her and she will pass me. Just going. Felt like I was floating and not even breathing hard or huffing and puffing. Don't get me wrong I never thought running was my strong side but I felt real good brother. Real good ..maybe it's a mental block and if one can get over tht block we ar very capable. Who knows if it was the shots but. I will find out if I start my first cycle here soon God willing
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbypump View Post
    tren wouldn't necessarily stop my runs short from the cardio aspect.. but more the shin pumps felt like my shins my erupt
    Mymlegs wpuld killmthe night afternoon running. I would just do static stretches. But after I started doing non static stretches such as butt kicks knee raises and side steps. It all went away pretty much. And it was bad to wheere I couldn't sleep without Tylenol pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere
    I've had the same experience with mast p. I have to drop a pint every 4 weeks. It does give a nice strength increase but it works best when you can see the bottom ledge of your lower abs. It's a great aesthetic compound that pairs well with nandrolone.
    Exactly how does the bad side effects make you feel when your hemocrit level is high? Thanks.

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    I was able to do PT on my own most of my military career. I had to do a PT test while on test and dbol ... I thought my calves were going to explode, it was horrible. Even walking on dbol blows my calves up.

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    I was running distance when I transitioned to lifting and AAS. Tren killed my endurance, haha, it was like running with a parachute. Even with slightly elevated crit (which blew up with mast quickly) I was sucking wind to the point I stopped running for cardio and did a less taxing elliptical. I monitored heart rate still and it was still not fun. Finally opted for the stair stepper to work legs more for endurance but again, any cardio on tren was not something I enjoyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ View Post
    I was running distance when I transitioned to lifting and AAS. Tren killed my endurance, haha, it was like running with a parachute. Even with slightly elevated crit (which blew up with mast quickly) I was sucking wind to the point I stopped running for cardio and did a less taxing elliptical. I monitored heart rate still and it was still not fun. Finally opted for the stair stepper to work legs more for endurance but again, any cardio on tren was not something I enjoyed.
    Why does tren impair cardio or endurance. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    ^^^^ just adding that steroids will cause red blood cell mass to increase which will be benefitial in sports. Nandrolone is also a potent anti-inflammatory, which will also be great in all sports.
    Anti-inflammatory hey? Interesting

    Imma do some more reading on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strongblood View Post
    Exactly how does the bad side effects make you feel when your hemocrit level is high? Thanks.
    Like most things in this lifestyle everyone probably has slightly different effects from elevated HCT.

    I was always tired until I began moving around.

    I would sporadically get light headed and almost pass out.

    This happened a few times when I was lifting but though it was from taking too much viagra/cialis.

    Then it happened once when I was making eggs and collapsed on the floor.

    When relaxing and reading or laying in bed I noticed that every few minutes my heart rate would elevate for no reason then go back to normal.

    I've also had high e2 and PRL.

    If I had to choose I would pick having both of those simultaneously over high HCT, because high HCT is downright scary.

    If you think your HCT might be high then get it tested.

    You can get a CBC assay through discounted labs dot com for $30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere
    Like most things in this lifestyle everyone probably has slightly different effects from elevated HCT. I was always tired until I began moving around. I would sporadically get light headed and almost pass out. This happened a few times when I was lifting but though it was from taking too much viagra/cialis. Then it happened once when I was making eggs and collapsed on the floor. When relaxing and reading or laying in bed I noticed that every few minutes my heart rate would elevate for no reason then go back to normal. I've also had high e2 and PRL. If I had to choose I would pick having both of those simultaneously over high HCT, because high HCT is downright scary. If you think your HCT might be high then get it tested. You can get a CBC assay through discounted labs dot com for $30.
    Thank you for this very informative response Numbere. I do appreciate it.

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    I had a massively elevated crit unrelated to AAS use directly, but it was greatly worsened by a cycle. My symptoms were profound fatigue, red face, red palms, flushing, and my palms itched and burned after a warm shower. HCT was 58 point something and had to get IV fluids with small phlebotomies (lower volume) at first to avoid throwing a clot somewhere. Did it under the guidance of a Hem/Onc doc and took a long time to normalize. It was a real b*tch. I get regular blood draws at Red Cross now to maintain a decent level and have done so for years. I ramp up when not on anything and TRT doesn't seem to effect it that much but I have a very healthy respect for elevated crit and avoid at all costs.

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