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    First Cycle, please advise and comment!!!!!!!!!!!

    Happy to be here guys, just wanted to post my first cycle and get your thoughts on it. Here is what I have planned:
    week 1-12: 500mg TEST E (2 injections a week)
    week 14-15: 50mg clomid ed
    week 16-17: 25mg clomid ed

    I also have Arimidex on hand. I have 30x.25mg pills. With that amount, I can either take .25mg e3d or start week 4 and take .25eod. Should I just use the Arimidex if needed or use it regardless?

    Thanks for you help guys, look foward to your advice!!!!

    Stats: 29yo 200lbs approx 16-18%bf 5'9" lifting 10+ years

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    Nice simple test only cycle, tried and true for a 1st run.

    However your body-fat is too high for AAS...you're carrying almost 40 pounds of fat.

    Also your PCT needs some additions when the time comes.

    In the meantime can you post a typical day's diet?
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    Right now I'm at around 2700 calories daily. 250g protein, 160g fats, remainder is carbs. I've been at a 20% deficit last 3-4 months, was at 230. My goal isn't to bulk, I'm using to maintain while at a deficit. 2nd cycle would be for weight gain.

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    Also, I'm assuming you meant pct? Not cpt? Clomid is not enough? What are your thoughts on Arimidex throughout cycle or only if needed?
    In addition, I've had my cycle ready for 2 months so I'm obviously not eager to start, I'm willing to wait for the right weight/time.

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    You should take your dex from day one until you start pct.

    0.25-0.5mg dex EOD titrated based on mid cycle blood work.

    For PCT you need both clomid and Nolvadex .

    It would be in your best interest to use hcg from day one of your cycle until 2-3 days before beginning PCT.

    Have you had pre cycle bw?

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    Well aas isnt a diet aid and a ai really isnt a option.Plus you grow the most on your 1st cycle so dont be crazy and mess it up.

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    I have not had any blood work done. I have enough Arimidex for eod starting week 4. Should I hold off and try to get more pills?
    My local source does not carry hcg , is it necessary?

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    "Typical day's diet" means something like this;

    Meal 1; x ounces of this, x ounces of this
    Meal 2 ; x ounces of this, x ounces of this

    How it's prepared, seasonings, sauces, etc.

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    I can post it in the diet forum if you would like. For this post, I'd like to stick to the cycle. Just hoping to get it correct before beginning.

    My first post with the cycle seems fine to me, adding the Arimidex eod from week 1-14 and nolvadex added to pct?

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    Body fat is too high.

    I wish you the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calichico87 View Post
    I can post it in the diet forum if you would like. For this post, I'd like to stick to the cycle. Just hoping to get it correct before beginning.

    My first post with the cycle seems fine to me, adding the Arimidex eod from week 1-14 and nolvadex added to pct?
    Honestly you're not ready to cycle because there's too many red flags.

    Your bf is high, your diet is off, you have no bw and you don't have enough knowledge of ancillaries.

    You should hold off for a few months and get everything straightened out.

    These are powerful hormones and if used incorrectly will mess you up for the rest of your life.

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    I'd disagree respectfully on the diet. I've dropped 30lbs last 15 weeks since being "strict", planning another 15lbs prior to starting

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    Quote Originally Posted by calichico87 View Post
    I'd disagree respectfully on the diet. I've dropped 30lbs last 15 weeks since being "strict", planning another 15lbs prior to starting
    Okay I'll take you at your word.

    At least you can do some time to do more research, obtain the necessary ancillaries and get a full hormone panel while losing the rest of your bf.

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    If I'm around 16-17%, what would YOU recommend? I've seen as high as 16 min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calichico87 View Post
    If I'm around 16-17%, what would YOU recommend? I've seen as high as 16 min.
    If you've bulking, which I recommend for your first few cycles, then you should get you bf as low as possible before starting.

    The lower your bf the more you will get out of the lean bulk plus the risk of negative side effects is reduced.

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    What I have trouble understanding is why get down to 10% for example and lose 10lbs of muscle doing so just so I can cycle to gain back those 10lbs? Why not cycle at 15%, lose say 3%bf and gain a few pounds of muscle?

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    Don't bodybuilders cycle prior to a show to avoid losing muscle while dieting for their show? That's my goal, I have decent mass, but I want to use test to minimize muscle loss while getting bf to around 10%

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    Quote Originally Posted by calichico87 View Post
    What I have trouble understanding is why get down to 10% for example and lose 10lbs of muscle doing so just so I can cycle to gain back those 10lbs? Why not cycle at 15%, lose say 3%bf and gain a few pounds of muscle?
    No offense but if you lose 10 pounds of muscle going from 17 to 10% bf then you're doing something drastically wrong.

    If you stay in a 300-500 deficit then muscle loss will be kept to a minimum.

    Though it's an advanced dieting technique, a keto diet will drop bf while losing virtually no muscle tissue.

    I guess it's something you need to experience rather than being told, but priming your body before a cycle by getting bf as low as possible has amazing anabolic effects.

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    Cycle looks good but i will tell you it is worth holding off for the hcg . I've ran cycles with and without it. Pct is much smoother with it. No sense in making things hard on yourself. Get those pre bloods. Everyone's concern with your diet is understandable. If your macros aren't right you'll loose all your gains and risk permanently shutting yourself down for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calichico87 View Post
    What I have trouble understanding is why get down to 10% for example and lose 10lbs of muscle doing so just so I can cycle to gain back those 10lbs? Why not cycle at 15%, lose say 3%bf and gain a few pounds of muscle?
    Fat and muscle 2 completely different things. You don't lose 6% bodyfat and 10 pounds of muscle goes with. That's absurd. Pasrt of what these guys are saying is that if someone doesn't understand that then he needs to learn a litte mor eon how the body works and then anabolics (having much more abut them to understand) need to be incorporated IN TIME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post

    No offense but if you lose 10 pounds of muscle going from 17 to 10% bf then you're doing something drastically wrong.

    If you stay in a 300-500 deficit then muscle loss will be kept to a minimum.

    Though it's an advanced dieting technique, a keto diet will drop bf while losing virtually no muscle tissue.

    I guess it's something you need to experience rather than being told, but priming your body before a cycle by getting bf as low as possible has amazing anabolic effects.
    Being natural and cutting 7% bf your absolutely going to lose muscle keto or not, that's as ridiculous as him saying he would lose 10 pounds of muscle. I did natural bodybuilding for 2 years before I hoped on and it's absurd how many people on here under play aas on a cut.

    Op I was 18% bf at my first cycle. Ate around 1850 cals a day, lost around 4% bf WHILE gaining muscle. Looked absolutely diffrent. Shit I looked hell of a lot better then half the 10% bf guys that bulk up to 14% looking all soft. BUT I had a good foundation, you have to be strict as fuck and lift heavy, make sure you're hitting good volume and getting a progressive overload. People talk about "first cycle gains", first off, diet, training and proper education on aas cycles is what matters. Not the first cycle gains , that didn't make you what you are that's ridiculous. No pro is like yeah this is mostly from my first cycle guys.

    Using my first cycle to cut was great. Don't regret it one bit. BUT like I said, as long as you already have a good foundation, I already had a rawtotal of 1340 or so and have been to around 9% bf before. So I had a good base.

    People under play aas on here just as much as the general public over plays it.

    Op do you but be healthy, smart and realistic about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staynattybruh View Post
    Being natural and cutting 7% bf your absolutely going to lose muscle keto or not, that's as ridiculous as him saying he would lose 10 pounds of muscle. I did natural bodybuilding for 2 years before I hoped on and it's absurd how many people on here under play aas on a cut.
    Realax bruh, I never said that OP wouldn't lose any muscle tissue.
    Last edited by numbere; 07-25-2016 at 11:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staynattybruh View Post
    People under play aas on here just as much as the general public over plays it.

    Really good quote right there!
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