PIP from test prop - site rotation

[Mma67]

Having some pretty bad pip from test prop. I'm injecting 125mg EoD. Gear is UGL, 23g pin, always changed after filling the syringe. I'm rotating from glute to glute. The pain is gone by the time i hit the same site again - 4 days, but I'm a little concerned about scar tissue.

Does anyone have experience rotating glutes? Is this bad practice? it does seem to hurt more and more and my glutes feel tight as fuck when they're sore, like a knot is tied in them.

I was actually considering injecting ED but I can't do it on my glutes, that would kill me. I'm afraid to inject other muscles because I don't hear anything good about them, ever.

Any recommendations or experiences would be greatly appreciated.

[Mr.BB]

You shouldnt pin glutes EOD, you going to get scar tissue. You need to include quads and/or delts, chest is a good option too (at least for me).

Prop sucks cause of pip, after 3-4 weeks the pip should get lower and lower.

Not much to do IMO. Is it your first cycle?

[Mma67]

This would be my second cycle, first one didn't give me pip and I used glutes only. That was a little over 2 years ago. I don't remember how often I pinned but it wasn't bad. It was also pharma grade.

I suppose I'll hit the quads and delts to change things up.

I hear so much stuff about different muscles working for people or crippling people... I just assume they'll all cripple me in some way. Right now my ass is crippled and I can barely stand up/ sit down, or roll over in bed.

[Mr.BB]

You can try half the dosage and pin ed in other spots.
Lower volume will give less pip.

Or try different brand of test.

For me all prop I tried gave me bad pip, but it subsided after 3-4 weeks.

If pinning in quads use the upper quad spot, where the pockets lay.

[devil-1986]

im on my week one of test p and have a same pip as u , only do it on glutes and change it eod noting only pip

[Scorpion0922]

Warm up the oil with a blow dryer for a minute of so after it's in the pin and B4 you inject. There are hard rubber exercise balls @ Sports Authority, etc. that will break up the scar tissue if you roll on them

[Mma67]

You can try half the dosage and pin ed in other spots.
Lower volume will give less pip.

Or try different brand of test.

For me all prop I tried gave me bad pip, but it subsided after 3-4 weeks.

If pinning in quads use the upper quad spot, where the pockets lay.

I pinned my quad today and it hurt pretty bad... I started pushing the plunger in and started feeling pain right away so I tried a different spot... Same thing, just pain. I ended up pinning my delt. Went very smooth, but I can feel the tightness so I know pip is on the way.

[krugerr]

As said by others, you're going to get PIP, thats inevitable in new injection sites. It could be the gear, higher concentrations require higher levels of BA/BB I believe, which could be the cause.

IMHO, heating up the oil is a pointless exercise, its such small volume that by the time you've got the needle in you, the gear has returned to room temperature. Or if it hasnt, then you've seriously overheated the oil. In order to have a noticeable change in the viscosity you'd have to get the oil pretty warm throughout the injection, but even then it cools when it hits the muscle anyway. You'd only be making the injection process easier. One option is if PIP starts to set in, have hot bath and massage the site while the muscle is thoroughly warm. Honestly though, I think these dont make much of a difference.

Best advice is to massage the site gently once its in, and continue to do so over the coming days.
I personally rotate Glutes, Delts, Chest, Quads and if I need it, Biceps. I tried Traps once, but that was very sore!

[Mma67]

Yea I tried heating the oil and that did seem pretty pointless, at best it improved the viscosity a little bit it had little to no effect on pip. I've tried massaging and I have yet to notice any change from that. I'm about to switch to another bottle from what I believe is a different batch so I have my fingers crossed.

I guess the moral of the story is to man up and accept pip, it's inevitable. So newbies beware, if you aren't willing to accept the pain, don't try to juice your way to massive gains.

On a side note, when I started injecting my quad I felt a shooting pain the more I pushed on the plunger. It scared the crap out of me. I must've struck a nerve.

[Riplec]

i pin quads,glutes, chest, traps,shoulders, lats.... repeat i try to hit the same as less often as possible, now for the pip and pain thats just prop, good prop will cause pain if your not ready to deal with that you shouldv done some research on it and maybe choose an ester like cypionate ! then again now you pretty much have to deal with it :/ I don't try heating the oil or do whatever to reduce the pain I just accept the fact that its appart of what I have to deal with ... and its a mindset to ''my gear is legit'' on prop atleast ;D

[ScotchGuard02]

Prop is a MUTHER! I just started brewing my own with EO to reduce the PIP. You can rotate injection sites but you're still gonna get scar tissue. Honestly, I don't worry about it. I've been pinning my glutes at least once a week for over 10 years (TRT) and more often running cycles a couple of times a year. When I push in the needle I can hear the tissue cutting. LOL Sorry, guys if you have a weak constitution. I haven't bled out and died yet. LOL It's just part of the game.

[ingerandtimb]

Prop comes with pain...unless...you have a good mix of oils in your syringe. Including a longer acting test or any other painless gear will reduce or eliminate pip. I recommend suffering through now, but consider adding enanth, masteron , or any other gear that fits your overall needs in the future. Pip is a bitch, and even more so when you know its avoidable.

[ScotchGuard02]

You should know that combining esters affects the rate of uptake of Test into the blood stream. You should calculate the steady state of blood concentration before you start mixing esters. It's not that hard if you use a spreadsheet.

[Mma67]

I'll consider different esters in the future, but I do like prop. I just wish it didn't hurt so damn bad. I switched to ed with a lower dosage and started hitting delts. One delt is sore as fuck from yesterday and the other is showing signs of soreness from this morning. I'm trying to decide which muscle I'm going to cripple next... Thinking of ventro glute but I can't find it, my legs and thighs seem to carry most of my body fat which isn't helping. Maybe I'll just have to get my ventro glute jacked so it bulges out and is more visible. Anybody know isolation exercises for the ventro glute? lol

[ingerandtimb]

IM technique is important, but it gets in there regardless. Find a way to make your gear pain free and the dividends will be long term.

Add sterile oil
Combine pain free gear
Switch to a lower concentration prop

[Mma67]

You shouldnt pin glutes EOD, you going to get scar tissue. You need to include quads and/or delts, chest is a good option too (at least for me).

Prop sucks cause of pip, after 3-4 weeks the pip should get lower and lower.

Not much to do IMO. Is it your first cycle?

So if you don't have any pip is it okay to pin that area again in a few days?

[Mr.BB]

So if you don't have any pip is it okay to pin that area again in a few days?

Rule of thumb is one pin every 7 days.