EQ or Deca in a mass cycle. Experiences?

[Dazhy]

Hi

Im planning a mass cycle and im thinking to do the typical combo Dbol -Susta-Deca but replacing deca for EQ. I read a lot and the and most people who have used both prefer EQ.

What do you guys think? thanks

[marcus300]

What's your cycle history and stats?

[Dazhy]

sorry i forgot this.

Age: 21
Time working out: 2years.(i began at 56kg)
1,75
74
12%bf
Natty byfar.But im reading a lot to do my first cycle mass in the future.

Thanks

[marcus300]

sorry i forgot this.

Age: 21
Time working out: 2years.(i began at 56kg)
1,75
67
12%bf
Natty byfar.But im reading a lot to do my first cycle mass in the future.

Thanks

Discipline and dedication are principles that you are going to have to master if you are serious about bodybuilding, being consistent with your diet and training will help you succeed in achieving your goals. Don't have tunnel vision in thinking you will only build muscle if your taking AAS, below are some of the main principles you need to consider before taking any AAS


AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[Dazhy]

sorry i forgot this.

Age: 21
Time working out: 2years.(i began at 56kg)
1,75
67
12%bf
Natty byfar.But im reading a lot to do my first cycle mass in the future.

Thanks

Discipline and dedication are principles that you are going to have to master if you are serious about bodybuilding, being consistent with your diet and training will help you succeed in achieving your goals. Don't have tunnel vision in thinking you will only build muscle if your taking AAS, below are some of the main principles you need to consider before taking any AAS


AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

I'm just asking experiences of these compunds...

[ScotchGuard02]

EQ and Deca both retain water and thus the "bulking" nature of these compounds. I personally like EQ myself. Bulking or cutting is really a function of diet and ester selection over compounds, IMO. You can bulk on anything if you eat like a big man. Shorter esters require less water to break down so are used for cutting and vice a versa for longer esters, like the ones in Deca and EQ.

[Dazhy]

EQ and Deca both retain water and thus the "bulking" nature of these compounds. I personally like EQ myself. Bulking or cutting is really a function of diet and ester selection over compounds, IMO. You can bulk on anything if you eat like a big man. Shorter esters require less water to break down so are used for cutting and vice a versa for longer esters, like the ones in Deca and EQ.

Cheers for your opinion mate.I I read EQ retain less water and gains are very similar if the diet is on the point.

[Livinlean]

Cheers for your opinion mate.I I read EQ retain less water and gains are very similar if the diet is on the point.

EQ has to be run for a very long time. EQ and Deca both aren't compounds you should be looking at for a first cycle or even a second cycle for that matter. Deca will shut you down HARD and an EQ cycle will be at least 16 weeks. I think I ran EQ for 14-15 weeks for my first and only time on it so far and I had just started to feel the effects. I want to say around week 12 I noticed vascularity and lean dry gains and felt the appetite somewhere between week 8-10. For the reasons stated above, neither compound should be looked at for your first couple cycles unless you are looking to get into the sport competitively and don't care about being shut down.