Orals!?

**TheTaxMan** · 08-06-2016, 07:23 PM

I was thinking today about orals

We know we dont like to run orals longer than 6-8 weeks

We know we dont like running more than 1 oral due to liver toxicity

My question is

If one guy runs dsay 50mg anadrol ED for 6 weeks , and we have another guy running 100mg anadrol ED for 6 weeks

Can the guy on the lower dose not run 50mg anadrol and 50mg winstrol oral for 6 weeks

Matching the guy running 100mg anadrol?

To me its the same stress on the liver no?

**songdog** · 08-06-2016, 07:41 PM

IMOP I wouldnt run 100mg Drol.But thats just me and I can see wat you are saying.I guess you could but your liver wouldnt like it.

**Ashop** · 08-06-2016, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

I was thinking today about orals

We know we dont like to run orals longer than 6-8 weeks

We know we dont like running more than 1 oral due to liver toxicity

My question is

If one guy runs dsay 50mg anadrol ED for 6 weeks , and we have another guy running 100mg anadrol ED for 6 weeks

Can the guy on the lower dose not run 50mg anadrol and 50mg winstrol oral for 6 weeks

Matching the guy running 100mg anadrol?

To me its the same stress on the liver no?

Sure you could run the two. I know some top people who run them in similar regimens.
I would consider that a very aggressive approach and most definitely not for everyone.

**Sfla80** · 08-06-2016, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

I was thinking today about orals

We know we dont like to run orals longer than 6-8 weeks

We know we dont like running more than 1 oral due to liver toxicity

My question is

If one guy runs dsay 50mg anadrol ED for 6 weeks , and we have another guy running 100mg anadrol ED for 6 weeks

Can the guy on the lower dose not run 50mg anadrol and 50mg winstrol oral for 6 weeks

Matching the guy running 100mg anadrol?

To me its the same stress on the liver no?

I would look into "pulsing" if u are thinking of something like this.

I have done little research but it's definitely something I want to try.

7 days on high dose, 7off, and so on. U can run them linger and higher doses I believe. Don't quote me on this lol

**InternalFire** · 08-07-2016, 02:10 AM

I think there's a bit of misunderstanding going on with Tax's request on info,

As I see it he is talking about 100mg/day dosage, either only anadrol , VS. 50+50 anadrol+winstrol , for the same length of time, how would it affect liver with the methyl stress.

I am not too deeply familiar with the chemistry of those compounds, but if they share the same methyl group I dont think there should be much difference/if any, of a damage caused to the liver, unless these compounds synergistic effect has some potential to cause unwanted sides or reduce/affect/change each others effectivness on the body.

The question may come in at the accuracy of the manufacturer while making/dosing the compound, if both are dosed right or underdosed slightly youre not going over 100mg/day, but if its overdosed and instead of thought 100mg net you're getting ~150mg etc, its somewhat different of a load on the liver, just another variable.

Also if you havent ran winstrol before, you may not be aware how it could affect you or what sides could it cause etc.

Pulsing sounds good

Brainstorming

**NACH3** · 08-07-2016, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Sfla80

I would look into "pulsing" if u are thinking of something like this.

I have done little research but it's definitely something I want to try.

7 days on high dose, 7off, and so on. U can run them linger and higher doses I believe. Don't quote me on this lol

This^^^

This is a great way to get gains gains gains w/out the sides - if you get the sides you've stayed on too long - I love this approach as you can go higher dosed on your orals and the gain just keep coming

You'll know if you can go longer - my sweet spot is 10-12on 7-10off repeat / you can run your orals longer this way, too! Many added benefits and less sides(bloat, which if diet is on point it won't be an issue, water intake needs to be kept high, and EAT!

**TheTaxMan** · 08-07-2016, 04:20 PM

Im aware of what pulsing is

I pulsed anadrol due to lethargicness

My question is tuning 2 orals to an effective dose with liver toxicity concern.

People run 100mg anadrol
Can someone not run 50mg dbol and 50mg winstrol instead?

I know winny and dbol sort of counteract eachother in terms of goals

Pulsing or not, id love to try it, the water retention sort of cancelling eachother out and huge strength gains?

50mg winny and 50mg of anadrol or dbol

It cant be anymore harsh on the liver than guys who run 100mg of anadrol or dbol or winny for that matter?

**InternalFire** · 08-07-2016, 04:30 PM

Tax, why not count TBOL instead in this? that wont aromatise and only dry gains, no water retention, I hear almost identical strength gains and some lean mass on top, then something like winny or anadrol could go on top with this in "pulsing mode" , just brainstorming

**cro** · 08-07-2016, 07:53 PM

Never needed more 50 mg daily myself

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-07-2016, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheTaxMan

Im aware of what pulsing is

I pulsed anadrol due to lethargicness

My question is tuning 2 orals to an effective dose with liver toxicity concern.

People run 100mg anadrol
Can someone not run 50mg dbol and 50mg winstrol instead?

I know winny and dbol sort of counteract eachother in terms of goals

Pulsing or not, id love to try it, the water retention sort of cancelling eachother out and huge strength gains?

50mg winny and 50mg of anadrol or dbol

It cant be anymore harsh on the liver than guys who run 100mg of anadrol or dbol or winny for that matter?

Back at it again there Tax?...hehe. Good. Interesting q. I have red the tax on the liver is almost the same but the synergyeffect is major running 50% dbol and 50% anadrol.
Im serious on trying this in November. Already bougth the dbol and checked it for 5 days. Maaaan it was legit

**Scorpion0922** · 08-07-2016, 10:01 PM

Short answer; yes.

Long answer; there are a lot of intangibles; What 2 orals? How long? What's the user's overall profile? What else is he running?

My last show prep I ran a low dose of winny and var together only on training days with Milk Thistle & Liv 52. So it can be done if done right.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 08-07-2016, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

This^^^

This is a great way to get gains gains gains w/out the sides - if you get the sides you've stayed on too long - I love this approach as you can go higher dosed on your orals and the gain just keep coming

You'll know if you can go longer - my sweet spot is 10-12on 7-10off repeat / you can run your orals longer this way, too! Many added benefits and less sides(bloat, which if diet is on point it won't be an issue, water intake needs to be kept high, and EAT!

aha...new pic...what hapened to the old one...hm.....so...what ya think your fatlevel is there NACH3?

**ScotchGuard02** · 08-08-2016, 07:55 PM

What I wonder is does Anadrol and Winstrol affect the liver exactly the same way? If yes, then you can stack the two and it would be the same as running 100mg/ed of anadrol. If not, then no it would be harsher than running 100mg/ed of anadrol. I'm no chemist so I don't know the answer and I don't want to experiment on my liver. Taking 1 oral's been the guiding rule and guys have had good results with minimal side so I follow the established knowledge. I'm definitely open to different ideas if there is some data to back it up.