Cycle Advice Please

**Berty77** · 08-15-2016, 01:11 AM

Hi All

I've been on Tren /Test 200 X 1ml per week of each. On 2nd 10ml bottle of each with about 3 weeks left to go. My man has then got me Tri Test 400 and HGH to stack once finished.

I also have HGC and Clomid and was going to take a break before getting on the TT400/Growth but wondered if I need to or go straight through? Alternatively drop the Test, do PCT but do growth.

Any advice greatly appreciated 👍🏻

**songdog** · 08-15-2016, 04:27 AM

Dont ever take cycle advice from a supplier.They are only out to take your money.How many cycles have you done? How long have you been training? Wat are your stats Ht Wt Bf% Pct is Nova and Clomid HCG while on cycle.But these are things YOU shouldve known prior to starting your cycle for your safety.AAS isnt something to play around with it can really mess you up.Good luck!

**Berty77** · 08-15-2016, 11:37 AM

Thanks for the reply. I do know the dude so he's not a random guy. He also trains me. I'm 38, 98kg, been training for 20 years odd. 16% body fat. I have done 2 cycles of tren /test about 3 weeks till end of 2nd cycle.

**ScotchGuard02** · 08-15-2016, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Berty77

Thanks for the reply. I do know the dude so he's not a random guy. He also trains me. I'm 38, 98kg, been training for 20 years odd. 16% body fat. I have done 2 cycles of tren/test about 3 weeks till end of 2nd cycle.

What does this mean? You did two cycles of tren /test that lasted for 3 weeks?

**Berty77** · 08-15-2016, 03:33 PM

Hiya. No I have 3 weeks left of 2nd cycle. I've been doing 1ml test and 1ml tren per week. 10ml bottles of each. Question is then do I stop and PCT? Or drop Tren and continue test with HGH?

**songdog** · 08-15-2016, 04:14 PM

Well he maybe a friend and a your trainer but he dont know nothing about aas.Tren isnt for 2nd cycles its for when you used all the other combos and your gains have slowed.Tren is the strongest why use it so soon.

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 12:14 AM

I guess lack of knowledge on my side and he explained that 200mg, 1ml per week was quite a low dose? I'm done on tren now though. What are your thoughts on now doing PCT or continue just Test?

**Back In Black** · 08-16-2016, 01:22 AM

Continue your test 2 weeks after you have stopped the tren .

Then start your pct. you don't mention what esters you are using though, if we know that we can tell you when to start your pct of

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20

Ideally you would have been using Hcg throughout your cycle.

Please don't take anymore advice from your 'man', he will damage your natural test production if it isn't already.

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 01:36 AM

Thanks BIB appreciate your reply. Esters? Another example of my lack of research 😔 The PCT I bought is HCG and Clomid. HCG is 5000mg in 1ml, told to do 500mg a time but how often? Be great if you could advise me as looks like I've been taking duff advice FFS!!

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 03:00 AM

By Ester do you mean Test / Tren ester?

**Back In Black** · 08-16-2016, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Berty77

Thanks BIB appreciate your reply. Esters? Another example of my lack of research �� The PCT I bought is HCG and Clomid. HCG is 5000mg in 1ml, told to do 500mg a time but how often? Be great if you could advise me as looks like I've been taking duff advice FFS!!

Start taking your Hcg now, 250iu's x 2 pw until 3 days before pct starts. is it pre mixed or powder form?

Get some nolva asap so you have it ready to go.

Originally Posted by Berty77

By Ester do you mean Test / Tren ester?

Yes, propionate /acetate? Enanthate ? Cypionate ? A blend? Different esters have different pct start times.

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 09:11 AM

Will revert back on the esters. Re the Hcg it is powder vile with bio water vile. Assume I'll need to mix and fill syringe and keep in cool place and draw off. Do I shoot it like I have been with Test / tren ? Ass or thigh?

**Back In Black** · 08-16-2016, 11:03 AM

You need bac water and put into an empty vial when mixed and keep
refrigerated.

You can pin it IM but most of us pin sub cutaneous.

Read this.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 11:55 AM

You're a star, really appreciate the advice. To your earlier question on the esters. Pro Chem Testcynate 200 - Testosterone Cypionate and Pro Chem Trenenate 200 - Tronboline Enanthate . PCT I have Pro Chem Clomid 50mg X 60 and HCG is Ovigil.

I had planned to get on HGH run with Tri Test after this cycle but think I should come off before for a while or just drop Tren / Test? would you agree?

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 12:10 PM

That HCG article cleared a lot of things up. 👍🏻

**Back In Black** · 08-16-2016, 12:13 PM

Run a pct. recovery will be hard enough after running tren without extending your shutdown.

I highly recommend you source nolvadex to go with your Clomid for pct.

Start your PCT 18 days after your last test shot.

Here is some additional reading for you, how to run a cycle properly

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 01:07 PM

So just to be sure, run clomid and nolvadex together? Mrs has some left over Tamoxifen from IVF would that be any good for anything?

**Back In Black** · 08-16-2016, 01:15 PM

If there is enough, yes.

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 01:27 PM

There are 40 20mg tablets. Would this and clomid do the job?

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 01:28 PM

How do I get my bloods done without arousing the suspicion of my Dr? Also do I need Ai's?

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 01:43 PM

I'm giving blood to blood bank on Thursday!! Booked in

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 01:45 PM

Also found some Progynova 2mg - any idea what these are?

**Back In Black** · 08-16-2016, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Berty77

There are 40 20mg tablets. Would this and clomid do the job?

For full 6 weeks at 40/20/20/20/20/20 you would need 49. You can just shorten it by 9 days if you like. There is no research to say 6 weeks is better than 4 but tren shuts you down with 1 shot so I'd always err on the side of caution. For a few $'s more why risk it.

Originally Posted by Berty77

How do I get my bloods done without arousing the suspicion of my Dr? Also do I need Ai's?

At 200mg pw it's unlikely you would need an ai but only bloodwork would have told you. If you are stopping in a couple of weeks it's probably too late for that. Get some bloods done 6-8 weeks after the end of pct.

Originally Posted by Berty77

Also found some Progynova 2mg - any idea what these are?

They are your wife's I suspect. Not yours, don't touch them.

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 02:27 PM

Again thanks for taking the time to reply. With clomid and tamoxifen do I take them daily?

**Back In Black** · 08-16-2016, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Berty77

Again thanks for taking the time to reply. With clomid and tamoxifen do I take them daily?

Example

Clomid 75/25/25/25

That is one week at 75mg per day for the first week then 50mg per day for the following 3 weeks.

Please read the first cycle link I gave you.

And get your 'man' to sign up here so he can be educated too.

**Berty77** · 08-16-2016, 03:20 PM

I have read it now, and boy I wish I had read it before I started on the gear. Details all the questions I've asked you. Thanks for sharing. How can I save that post for a later date. Started HCG today, wish I'd done that through the cycle too and I've ordered The liver protector hopefully not too late.

**Mr.BB** · 08-16-2016, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Berty77

I have read it now, and boy I wish I had read it before I started on the gear. Details all the questions I've asked you. Thanks for sharing. How can I save that post for a later date. Started HCG today, wish I'd done that through the cycle too and I've ordered The liver protector hopefully not too late.

Kudos for this answer!

Just put it on your favorites.