Review of my first TREN cycle

[BigPablo]

Personal info

35 years
175 high
Weight 85kg
I lifted weights natually for 20 years

I have so far tried: Anavar only, test E only, Test E and Anavar, Test and dbol (i got bloated - a lot).
I have experience to gain 15-20 pounds in 6-8 week... but lost 75% of it again... too much water...
I have never used and I.A. before... regarding PCT i have use Clomid and Nolva... in the beginning i didn't
use any PCT... I have always recovered perfect - regarding libido... which normally is very very good...
I eat healthy and dont drink too much...

Here is what i have in mind - regarding my TREN cycle:

1-12: TEST E (25mg/ED) (175mg/EW) - TRT DOSE ONLY
2-10: TREN A (10mg/ED) - first week, then (20mg/ED), and later 30mg/ED - if my body tolerates it - without sides
2-10: 1-2 times HCG 250mg/EW
10-14:TEST E 250mg/EW

I.A.

1-14: I.A.: Arimidex / Aromasin just a little bit - to be sure...like arimidex 0.25mg E3D or Aromasin 12.5mg E3D
Because my cycle is a TREN cycle i will try to prevent the use or at leat to a minimum - due to lowering HDL colesterole too much.
TREN has already bad impact on this...

To prevent progesterone/prolactin buildup

1-14: B6 P5P (ative form of B6 vitamin): 50mg/ED (should be about 5 times stronger that regular B6 vitamin). The active form also avoids problems with the nerve-system due to -
too high amount of regular B6 vitamin can disturb the normal break down of the body natural level of the vitamin). Which makes different parts of your body - like hands/fingers
to have this "humming" feeling.

1-14: 400IU E-vitamin (Natural mixed E-vitamins)
1-14: 25mg Zinc
1-14: Ginsing
1-14: Gingo-baloba
1-14: Strong multi-vitamin (designed to bodybuilding)

I will use all of the above - to avoid caber - which can have - bad impact on my heart...(I have Caber on hand thow...)

PCT

17: Clomid: 150mg and Nolva 40mg e/d
18: Clomid: 100mg and Nolva 40mg e/d
19-20: Nolva 40mg e/d

Please come with all the comments and thoughts you have in mind.
Thank you so much :-)

[NACH3]

AI = aromatase inhibitor -- you need to control E2 for your prolactin not to follow(it's not a written rule but one that does have Merritt(at least for most of us) controlling E2 is your first line of defense! This is where BW will be most important as well - dialing in your AI and prolactin w/caber if necessary - if caber is bad for you try prami but titrate it slow and low first - .125 to .25 and so on until reaching your desired dose!

Just b/c you think you recovered do you have BW For pre(baselines)cycle status and after PCT as well to compare?! If not your just guessing...

No need to taper up and down it will leave your serum levels much more unstable! Pick say 30mgs Ed or go with 50mgs EOD for your first run of Tren - although you've skipped nandrolone first?!

No need to run your test 4 wks longer than Tren only a wk or so if running ace! It's in and out in 3 days hence an ed/or EOD pinning schedule!

Your PCT is way too high...
75/50/50/50 Clomid
Nolva - 40/40/20/20/20/20

Take BW 6-8wks post pct

[BigPablo]

By E2 you ref. to Estogen? What amount of arimedex/Aromasin would you prefer.?
I thought when my TEST is so low - i may be could avoid an A.I. - but you dont think so...?

Regarding B/W - I got 1 full blown version because of some other issue once - 2 years ago... but every thing looked good.
After the different cycles - I got some B/W but only parameters like metabolism, FSH, colesterole... besides from that - yes - im guessing - but i feel perfectly fine.

I don't have in mind to go up and down in dosage - but just to start slow - to make my body get used to the (potent) substance...

I have never tried deca - no...

I will adjust my PCT...

[NACH3]

By E2 you ref. to Estogen? What amount of arimedex/Aromasin would you prefer.?
I thought when my TEST is so low - i may be could avoid an A.I. - but you dont think so...?

Regarding B/W - I got 1 full blown version because of some other issue once - 2 years ago... but every thing looked good.
After the different cycles - I got some B/W but only parameters like metabolism, FSH, colesterole... besides from that - yes - im guessing - but i feel perfectly fine.

I don't have in mind to go up and down in dosage - but just to start slow - to make my body get used to the (potent) substance...

I have never tried deca - no...

I will adjust my PCT...

I can't tell you how much arimidex or stane to take - you haven't used an AI in your last cycles - maybe .25 2x wk then adjust with BW... But it's a guessing game until that BW comes in...

Yes E2 I'd estradiol(sensitive) standard estradiol will read higher as its for women...

[Mr.BB]

Bloodwork is key to find if you need AI, like Nach said.

But for 175mgs you might not needed it, also agree that for 300mgs tren you might not need DA to control prolactin, B6 might be enough for it, again only bloodwork will tell.

You might want to check your diet if you losing gains after cycle.

[NACH3]

Bloodwork is key to find if you need AI, like Nach said.

But for 175mgs you might not needed it, also agree that for 300mgs tren you might not need DA to control prolactin, B6 might be enough for it, again only bloodwork will tell.

You might want to check your diet if you losing gains after cycle.

Defo agree ^^^ that you may not need an AI on that dose of test however, only BW will truly tell GL

[ScotchGuard02]

Personal info

35 years
175 high is this your body weight in lbs?
Weight 85kg
I lifted weights natually for 20 years

I have so far tried: Anavar only, test E only, Test E and Anavar, Test and dbol (i got bloated - a lot). I hear ya, I looked like a doughnut when I was running dbol/test. LOL
I have experience to gain 15-20 pounds in 6-8 week... but lost 75% of it again... too much water... Yep, that sounds about right. I did get freaking strong.
I have never used and I.A. before... regarding PCT i have use Clomid and Nolva... in the beginning i didn't
use any PCT... I have always recovered perfect - regarding libido... which normally is very very good... That's awesome. You're a genetic freak. I have a hard time recovering. I hate you. LOL
I eat healthy and dont drink too much...

Here is what i have in mind - regarding my TREN cycle:

1-12: TEST E (25mg/ED) (175mg/EW) - TRT DOSE ONLY
2-10: TREN A (10mg/ED) - first week, then (20mg/ED), and later 30mg/ED - if my body tolerates it - without sides Just mix the Tren E with Test E. You don't have to run Tren A and jab more times in a week. Pick a dose and stay with it.
2-10: 1-2 times HCG 250mg/EW Go with HCG 250iu twice a week.
10-14:TEST E 250mg/EW

I.A.

1-14: I.A.: Arimidex / Aromasin just a little bit - to be sure...like arimidex 0.25mg E3D or Aromasin 12.5mg E3D
Because my cycle is a TREN cycle i will try to prevent the use or at leat to a minimum - due to lowering HDL colesterole too much.
TREN has already bad impact on this... I run .25mg/ed when I do a Tren cycle. I got mild gyno at .25mg/eod so I run the AI a little higher now.

To prevent progesterone/prolactin buildup That's a lot of work/stuff. The AI will help control progesterone and for prolactin I would recommend caber.

1-14: B6 P5P (ative form of B6 vitamin): 50mg/ED (should be about 5 times stronger that regular B6 vitamin). The active form also avoids problems with the nerve-system due to -
too high amount of regular B6 vitamin can disturb the normal break down of the body natural level of the vitamin). Which makes different parts of your body - like hands/fingers
to have this "humming" feeling.

1-14: 400IU E-vitamin (Natural mixed E-vitamins)
1-14: 25mg Zinc
1-14: Ginsing
1-14: Gingo-baloba
1-14: Strong multi-vitamin (designed to bodybuilding)

I will use all of the above - to avoid caber - which can have - bad impact on my heart...(I have Caber on hand thow...)

PCT

17: Clomid: 150mg and Nolva 40mg e/d I run Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20 for PCT
18: Clomid: 100mg and Nolva 40mg e/d
19-20: Nolva 40mg e/d

Please come with all the comments and thoughts you have in mind.
Thank you so much :-)

Be ready for sleepless night, sweats, and total lack of cardio endurance. But you'll look awesome. Have fun.

[kelkel]

1-12: TEST E (25mg/ED) (175mg/EW) - TRT DOSE ONLY
2-10: TREN A (10mg/ED) - first week, then (20mg/ED), and later 30mg/ED - if my body tolerates it - without sides
2-10: 1-2 times HCG 250mg/EW
10-14:TEST E 250mg/EW

I'm confused. You're injecting enanthate daily? Why? Now you can make a case for Tren A daily but even that's not necessary in reality. Seems your making yourself a pin cushion when you don't need to, unless I'm reading this wrong?

Next, why bump up the test for the last few weeks and throw a wrench at your (hopefully dialed in) E2 level?

[BigPablo]

ScotchGuard02 --> How much TEST do you run - together with TREN - when you use A.I. at the dosage 0.25mg ED (BTW- did you mean Aromasin or Arimedex?) Arimedex should be good to stimulate the leydig cells as well - by producing LH...so may be that one - should be my first pick?

KelKel --> Regarding the TEST E... i would mix it in the same pin...and thereby keep all levels even - every single day... thats all...The starting point is of course the TREN - Which should be a lot better to inject ED vs EOD...
BTW...you are right about TEST E in the end...How low should i go (I have been running 250mg TEST E ew for 4 weeks now...)

What ratio / mg: Do you other guys use TREN / TEST...? I want to go with the one with minimum sides...

My weight 85kg in lbs... about 187 lbs... and i think my body fat is about 15%-17%...

Any other tips or tricks regarding TREN and a cycle like this?

How much more do i need to eat? kcal in a day? I like to get as big as possible - but ONLY lean muscle mass...
so i keep as much of the gains afterwards - as well...

To prevent to much night sweat - i have read that you should avoid too many cabs in the evening...that should fix
the biggest part of the issue...

To prevent TREN cough - you should (of course) avoid injecting to a vein... and also to mix the compounds...before you inject them...
Injecting slowly and may by inhale/exhale very deeply - meanwhile you inject - should also prevent the cough?

I actually have some Winstrol on hand as well - would that be too crazy for me - to add in the end of the cycle?

[kelkel]

BP why not just follow what this thread says. It's very well written and what you're looking for.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ly-thread.html

[KINGKONG]

Orite I just quickly read through this but you wanna change your doses as the cycle progresses?at 300 mg tren a week I don't have any remarkable terrible sides I would run the same dose throughout and I would take the test higher then go back to your trt doses afterwards..

[BigPablo]

Hey Again...

Kelkel>> I have now read every post in the 22 pages about TREN :-)

I started my TREN today... i prepared 7 pin for the next week... each pin contains about 25mg of TREN and 25mg TEST...I will reduce the TEST to 15mg from next week (it was a little mistake - due to the fact that my TREN is 100mg/ml and my TEST is 250mg/ml).

I injected slowly and felt absolutely nothing...

I have made some tests of the TREN with some tests from labmax - but it is still REALLY hard to tell...all these colour look so similar - so i took a chance and REALLY hope it is TREN :-)

How can i know as fast as possible if my product is legit TREN? What is the first and clear sign of real TREN?

BTW - after i read the long Article i will also be running 2 x 0.5mg caber... (Prolacting buildup - can occur without high estrogen in the body and the prolantin build level can also change in the same person - from one (identical) TREN cycle - to another...)

[Cuz]

You will need caber on hand. I used tren one time and adex wasnt enough to stop my nipples from getting puffy..i had to stop what were the most amazing gains of my life because i wasnt prepared and didnt have caber

[Mr.BB]

You dont need cabergoline at that dosage, and if you do the dosage is 0.25mg twice a week.

Have it on hand.

[BigPablo]

I will do 2 x 0.25mg caber instead then... im not running an A.I. because my TEST is only at TRT level of ~ 100mg/w.

How can i know as fast as possible if my product is legit TREN? What is the first and clear sign of real TREN in my body?

[NACH3]

I will do 2 x 0.25mg caber instead then... im not running an A.I. because my TEST is only at TRT level of ~ 100mg/w.

How can i know as fast as possible if my product is legit TREN? What is the first and clear sign of real TREN in my body?

You could up your test to at least 150-200mgs/wk that's low and keep an AI on hand but BW is the only way of knowing how to control your E2 6wks in... so 100mgs of test, imho, may not be enough - just a thought you can always bump it up if you feel off.... just a thought -

[BigPablo]

UPDATE 1:

I really doubt that my "TREN" actually is TREN. I have tested it via maxlab tests - but i'm still not sure of the result (Because you have to distinguish between so many color, color change over time and IF the compound you are testing - is a mixture - you CAN'T test it :-( like if TREN A has been mixed with TEST A/P/C etc...)

for almost 2 weeks BEFORE i stated the TREN i stopped my TEST E - because i want to make sure that i didn't have to high level for TEST (and thereby estrogen) in my body... I lost like 8 pounds in there 2 weeks - from water only i guess...now 1 week on "TREN" i "gained" back the 8 pounds !?

I don't feel any thing besides that, no sides, no strength gain what so ever... or actually i feel very tired on/off during the day and my appetite is not so big...no cough, no more sweating that on TEST E...
My libido is the same or a little less that before - it has not increased...

I will stop this "TREN" with 1 week... if some thing doens't change...

I have been doing 2 x 0.25 caber during the week... And all my other vitamins etc... I have NOT used an A.I. yet !

Please tell me what you thing - and what you would do?

[BigPablo]

Its now 18 days since my first injection ... at i still dont feel or see any thing special...

1 week: 20 mg per day
2 week: 30 mg per day
3 week: 30 mg per day

This cant be TREN or what?

BTW - i ran the lab test again and it should be TREN. I have become better to read the results now.