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08-25-2016, 05:50 PM
Macros

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I was reading an article which was talking about aromatase inhibitors as I'm trying to decide exactly what to get for an upcoming cycle. I'm trying to decide between arimidex and proviron. Here is a quote from the article which argues that proviron is better.

"In terms of an aromatase blocker, testosterone is one of the few compounds where Proviron may actually be preferred over arimidex. The proviron will not only reduce estrogen and can be used for extended time on a testosterone cycle, it will also bind with great affinity to sex-hormone binding proteins in the blood and will allow for a higher level of free testosterone in the body, thus improving gains."

The article also went on to say that if you're worried about hairloss to stick with arimidex.

For those worried about androgenic side-effects (hair loss, prostate hypertrophy, deepening of voice), one can utilize the hair loss treatment finasteride. This blocks the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme and stops the conversion of testosterone to the more androgenic compound DHT. I'm not a big fan of this, because DHT reduces estrogenic bloat, increases free levels of testosterone and is a very potent androgen that is 3-4 times stronger than testosterone. Those worried about hair loss however, may want to opt for arimidex as their anti-aromatase, since Proviron is a form of DHT after all.

Any thoughts or even better - first hand experiences?

Thanks!
08-25-2016, 07:50 PM
The Deadlifting Dog

Please provide a link to the article.

Proviron is not an AI.
It does not lower estrogen.
08-25-2016, 09:42 PM
AR's King Silabolin

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Please provide a link to the article.

Proviron is not an AI.
It does not lower estrogen.

What?
It surely does. It inhibits aromase and then less testo will convert. It does not block e2 receptors like nolva but it will lower estrogen but not as effective as other AIs.
More like masterone.
08-25-2016, 09:50 PM
KINGKONG

Proviron should not be used as a substitute for a AI..you want a AI use arimidex
08-25-2016, 09:50 PM
numbere

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

What?
It surely does. It inhibits aromase and then less testo will convert. It does not block e2 receptors like nolva but it will lower estrogen but not as effective as other AIs.

Once again you have no idea what you're taking about.

Proviron will only lower the E/T+DHT ratio, it will not inhibit aromase.
08-25-2016, 10:00 PM
AR's King Silabolin

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Originally Posted by numbere

Once again you have no idea what you're taking about.

Proviron will only lower the E/T+DHT ratio, it will not inhibit aromase.

Bad day again?

Proviron also has the ability to interact with the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. By binding to the aromatase enzyme, Proviron can actually inhibit aromatase activity, thereby offering protection against estrogenic side effects.

Dont mean to sit on your back but i feel its important to correct your missunderstandings.
08-25-2016, 10:09 PM
KINGKONG

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

Bad day again?

Proviron also has the ability to interact with the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. By binding to the aromatase enzyme, Proviron can actually inhibit aromatase activity, thereby offering protection against estrogenic side effects.

Dont mean to sit on your back but i feel its important to correct your missunderstandings.

Sil make sure you put the author of that quotes name in there or its plagiarism:)
08-25-2016, 10:09 PM
numbere

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

Bad day again?

Proviron also has the ability to interact with the aromatase enzyme, the enzyme responsible for the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. By binding to the aromatase enzyme, Proviron can actually inhibit aromatase activity, thereby offering protection against estrogenic side effects.

Dont mean to sit on your back but i feel its important to correct your missunderstandings.

I have a bad day every time I read one of your posts.

Just because you copy pasted that from the steroid profiles doesn't make it true.
08-25-2016, 10:12 PM
AR's King Silabolin

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Originally Posted by numbere

I have a bad day every time I read one of your posts.

Just because you copy pasted that from the steroid profiles doesn't make it true.

Lol who is this guy..
08-25-2016, 10:13 PM
numbere

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

Lol who is this guy..

We've been saying the same thing about you for months.
08-25-2016, 10:41 PM
AR's King Silabolin

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Originally Posted by numbere

We've been saying the same thing about you for months.

Yo Marcus!. Time to wake up. Why dont you pull your skinny ass out of your dungeon for just one second. And give us your take on Proviron and aromase. We have a situation here beetween two beloved and very knowledgeable members.
08-25-2016, 11:02 PM
KimboHalfSlice

I reckon Anastrozole (aka Arimidex) is pretty good as I think I wiped out my estrogen with it one time. I never had this confirmed by blood test but I remember posting my symptoms on the forums here at the time and being told I probably wiped out my estrogen.
08-26-2016, 01:27 AM
Vash the Stampede

Aromasin ftw. Proviron is useless
08-26-2016, 01:33 AM
Euroholic

Anastrozole!!!!!!!!
08-26-2016, 01:41 AM
chab

Proviron is NOT by any mean an AI, although it has some antiestrogen activity it is not enough to control E2 levels and E2 will shoot high if you are only depending on it while on cycle.
There are 3 AI in the world according to my knowledge as a pharmacist: Letrozole (Femara), Anastrazole (Arimidex), Exemestane (Aromasin).
After reading so many scientific articles and referring to a lot of "Bro science", I decided to go with Exemestane since it has fewer side effects and the least likely to crush your E2 level and the extra androgenic activity BUT if u are gonna be using 25 mg daily for 12 weeks cycle + days off after cycle; u gonna need 3 to 4 boxes of Aromasin which retails for about 200$ for a box (I am talking pharma grade) which makes it the most expensive compared to Arimidex where u only need quarter of a tab every other day so less than 1 box is enough for 1 cycle and it retails around 130$.
08-26-2016, 08:12 PM
AR's King Silabolin

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Originally Posted by chab

Proviron is NOT by any mean an AI, although it has some antiestrogen activity it is not enough to control E2 levels and E2 will shoot high if you are only depending

Guess that depends on your fatlevel and what you use.
Trt and deca with 10% bodyfat and proviron could be enough. Low e2 is worse than little too high cause extra e2 gives som extra power.
08-28-2016, 03:21 AM
Slacker78

Exemestane ( Aromasin ) is more expensive and it's preferable cause it has lower impact on lipid profile than Anastrozole ( Arimidex ). If you can, move to Aromasin IMHO.
08-28-2016, 05:27 AM
Cuz

No love for letro here lol. I personally used adex op.. Stane would be a little easier on you not as strong ive heard but ive never taken it.
08-28-2016, 02:05 PM
Macros

Thank you all for the replies. I was planning to follow the cycle from the "suggested first cycle" post which recommends arimidex. Based on what I've read I'm going to stick with arimidex for my first cycle but I will definitely try aromasin in a future cycle.
09-01-2016, 12:11 PM
Ashop

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Originally Posted by Cuz

No love for letro here lol. I personally used adex op.. Stane would be a little easier on you not as strong ive heard but ive never taken it.

LETROZOLE is my personal favorite AI.
09-01-2016, 03:12 PM
Strongblood

I'm using Letro for my Test Prop Tren Hex Cycle and really like it. Mainly because it's pharmacy grade. My last 2 cycles I used some bull crap liquid Arimidex that wasn't dosed properly and never allowed me to keep my estrogen in check which resulted in increased prolactin and some nasty sides. The Letro is a little hard to split but my estrogen is good. So far I've had very very few sides. Also, threw 5mg daily Cialis in on this cycle and what a difference! No BP issues and prostate is better than ever.
09-13-2016, 09:07 AM
Paul Mr Universe

Personally like pro iron as it has many benefits with test combo, As regards hair loss if it's in the genes it's gonna g
Happen a fair guide if your grandad bald on mums side good chance
your gonna be , Winsttrol is the worst culprit in the ano oliv world , Test pro iron for me ,
09-13-2016, 12:17 PM
Juced_porkchop

dex is good
09-13-2016, 12:29 PM
Chicagotarsier

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Originally Posted by Slacker78

Exemestane ( Aromasin ) is more expensive and it's preferable cause it has lower impact on lipid profile than Anastrozole ( Arimidex ). If you can, move to Aromasin IMHO.

Aromasin is the bomb. Also it is nearly impossible to bottom out your E2 on Aromasin due to it impacts a PERCENT of your estrogen/receptors. On cycle I get the exact same result from a dose of 35 as I do 55. A difference of that percent with Adex and you are in pain from bottoming out the E2.
09-13-2016, 09:45 PM
numbere

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Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Aromasin is the bomb. Also it is nearly impossible to bottom out your E2 on Aromasin due to it impacts a PERCENT of your estrogen/receptors. On cycle I get the exact same result from a dose of 35 as I do 55. A difference of that percent with Adex and you are in pain from bottoming out the E2.

You have to be careful with stane when running cycles with high doses of aromatazing compounds.

There comes a point with heavy cycles that stane becomes ineffective at controlling e2 due to the fact that only a percentage of aromatase is terminated.

Edit: I'm not saying that stane isn't a good AI. You just need to know it's limitations.